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GoCats67 02-15-2014 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by Toddnel (Post 1582416)
A lot of CLE business was point to point flying for businesses like the Cleveland clinic. My guess is they will cut down frequency and fly once or twice a day with the 757 to the bigger cities.

Or do it with smaller 737-700s and use the 757s to back fill in where the 737s come out.

Toddnel 02-15-2014 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by GoCats67 (Post 1582424)
Or do it with smaller 737-700s and use the 757s to back fill in where the 737s come out.

I'm sure they won't just send the 757s to CLE. My guess is they probably will send in the 737s. Glad to hear they are holding back mainline aircraft from the desert.

Probe 02-15-2014 08:47 PM

There is no growth at UCH. The airline has shrank every year since bankruptcy. The airline is planning to shrink 2-4 aircraft this year. That is 3-5%.

flightmedic01 02-15-2014 09:41 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1581973)
That's a novel approach, replace RJ feeder flying from 39 cities to CLE with 757s. Dubois, PA will be excited to hear this. What will they think of next?

Haha, I used to be based in DUJ on a 1900 with an airline that shall remain nameless (Sliver of Hope). I'm sure the agents would love to put 5 people on a 757!! :D

pilot64golfer 02-15-2014 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1582617)
There is no growth at UCH. The airline has shrank every year since bankruptcy. The airline is planning to shrink 2-4 aircraft this year. That is 3-5%.

How does a 700 aircraft airline park 4 aircraft and this is 3-5%?!

I'm just not understanding the math....

SpecialTracking 02-16-2014 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1582634)
How does a 700 aircraft airline park 4 aircraft and this is 3-5%?!

I'm just not understanding the math....

Spares, replacing 57's with guppy's, less seats in rj market, aircraft utilization? Just guessing.

oldmako 02-16-2014 05:42 AM

We've had a de facto code share with Delta for the last few years. Perhaps the seismic shift of our premium pax to DAL hubs accounts for the change?

Toddnel 02-16-2014 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1582617)
There is no growth at UCH. The airline has shrank every year since bankruptcy. The airline is planning to shrink 2-4 aircraft this year. That is 3-5%.

The airline is planning a 1-3% growth in ASM. While you are probably talking airframes, ASM growth is still growth.

It's to be expected that a merged airline will see airframe numbers change in transition, especially when one fleet was so very old.

Toddnel 02-16-2014 06:14 AM

Just checking the official 2014 estimated fleet plan. It calls for a 2 aircraft reduction in total fleet size from 693 to 691 (mainline only) for a total of .28% reduction with a forecast 1-3% growth in ASM.

We are hardly a shrinking airline.

I know a lot of folks get hung up on airframes and staffing numbers but nothing we do to try and influence airframe or pilot number growth works. Despite all our attempts over the years, airline grow and shrink however they want.

hopeSales 02-16-2014 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by Toddnel (Post 1582747)
The airline is planning a 1-3% growth in ASM. While you are probably talking airframes, ASM growth is still growth.

It's to be expected that a merged airline will see airframe numbers change in transition, especially when one fleet was so very old.

Guess you're taken over the cheap shots from FBN. You lose creditibility when you do that. It's been discussed before about the value of well maintained aircraft. New is not necessarily better - shall we consider the Sparky roll-out. I'd like to see the non-Jeffed numbers for Sparky.


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