And 24 747-400s will have been staffed consecutively. So its even when the fences come down.

We have 65 of these on order (40 from LUAL and the 25 LCAL). This is going to be a growing fleet for many years still.

This snap shot is jacked up backfills to IAH and DEN prove that.

Although it looks good for new hires I wouldn't get my hopes up someone pushed the wrong button....

Very true but this was a major oops for the negotiating committee as these are 24 widebodies worth of new positions while the 747s were already fully staffed. In order to protect maybe 10-15 positions on the 747 that might have gone to exCAL guys they gave up the ability to bid on hundreds of widebody slots. Don't get me wrong, I have no heartache about the fences.

10-15 positions? Not even close. Just one of the bids had 40 747 bids by itself.

Also, the UAL merger committee didn't ask to be fenced off the scabliner. They asked for domicile fences for those two airplanes, and the CAL MC asked for the scabliner to be fenced regardless of pilot domicile because they were interested in protecting their scabs, which worked.

So the CAL guys get to keep their scabs to themselves and the UAL guys don't have to fly with them right away.

I'd say that's actually a better deal for the UAL pilots.

Sorry to be a bother.. But being kind of new.. Why did it say I could be an A320 FO when I am on the 737? I didn't think we can go lateral.. Thanks! Have a great week!

10-15 was the number of CAL guys that probably could hold it and would want it. The large number of openings was a one time deal with the base move back to ORD.

The original plan from CAL called for no fences, it was the desire of the UAL group to have the fences and they got what they wanted. It's a true case of be careful what you wish for. Knowing two of the negotiating committee members quite well, I assure you no one put one minute of consideration to protecting a scab from anything.

I'm guessing the minute those fences drop there will be a flood of UA folks bidding the aircraft regardless of who they are flying with.

The last snapshot had major problems with it and is completely inaccurate. There were lots of lateral moves, and a few UA folks as 787 Captains.

If you are looking at the bidding screen percentages on the right hand side, those do not take seat locks into account. They simply tell you what your seniority number currently could hold in each base.

By they way, the best way to pick up all this stuff is to ask, you're not a bother. If someone gives you attitude, they are probably part of the 10%ers that both sides have and aren't worth worrying about.

Thanks so much!

Wasn't that for reopening of ORD. How many going forward will there be. To see the fence as a win proves your blindness to common sense. I'm a L-UA pilot and view the loss of growth airplanes as a complete screw up by our negotiating committee. They did a very good job for the most part, they just listened to the wrong crowd when it applied to fencing the 747.

It's not just LUAL, there is something about that airplane that seems to invoke a lack of rational thinking at times. Ask the old NWA guys and they will tell you the same thing. The 747 lead them down similar paths and often times made for some poor negotiating results. God help us if we ever get a Super Jumbo on the property, someone will want this uniform to set them apart! :D

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