[QUOTE=Coach67;1730831]I was screaming all this during the roadshows.......nobody would listen....just give me mo' money.....and sli......shiny new jets!

WE NEVER LEARN!

As a former Regional Pilot, I implore our collective pilot groups to take back scope!!! I firmly believe scope is the primary issue for our contract negotiations. Scope is our jobs!!! We have no one to blame other than ourselves for this mess. Management knows and understands that pilots are greedy and concerned about getting "theirs". We need to understand that and use that to our advantage. We at the Legacy/Major level have the power to change things. We just have to not be selfish and pay it forward for the future of our profession.

Does it delineate anywhere in the SKW report that these 50 seaters are coming out of the UAX fleet OR out of DELTA CONNECTIO, or perhaps a mix?
Given Delta's pace of getting rid of the 50 seaters, I would be VERY hestitant to assume that they are all UAX parkings.

[QUOTE=Coach67;1730831]Can you please post the source where you got this info from. I will not quote it as fact but, I believe the ASM's are actually going down on the Express carriers according to the last companies last quarter report? :confused:

Yes that is true...ASM's are reducing! It is scope choke...loosing 2 50-seaters for ever 70-76. The latest announcement is an airframe for airframe replacement (70 seat for 76 seat), but RJ ASM is reducing overall

If only UAX fleet was going to be 255 after six years.

It is easy to understand how pilots forget what the actual 'Scope Choke' was due to the absurd complexity of the language. The 'Scope Choke' was supposedly going to happen because United would have to order mainline 100 seat SJs to compete with DAL. Even if United announces an order for such aircraft, deliveries won't come until well after DAL's new contract happens. Historically, DALPA has sold SJ scope for contractual improvements. Hopefully, that trend will end, but if it doesn't the UAL MEC will likely follow suit with another DAL - 1 year contract like last time.

The UAX carriers' inability to find pilots who will work for minimum wage compensation is the only factor choking regional growth. It certainly has nothing to do with the UPA scope clause.

ASMs went down slightly in Q2 and are projected to flatten in Q3 and it has NOTHING to do with the UPA scope clause nor does it require UAX to park '2 50-seaters for ever 70-76. That doesn't start until after the 255th UAX 70/76 seaters and the mainline 100 seaters start entering the fleet. UAX isn't even bumping up against the only applicable UPA limit at this point which is the 120% hour restriction. The limiting factor currently is the number of pilots UAX carriers can find who are willing to work for minimum wage. UAX has less than 20 E-175s so far. As more of those come on line UAX ASMs will likely increase due to more seats, higher speeds and higher utilization rates.

Scope Choke in Action
 

According to their earnings call, Skywest Inc will lose 156 airplanes by YE 2015.

This year's remaining year TOTAL 56:
4-skywest, 17-ASA, 35 XJT

Next year TOTAL 100:
21-skywest , 20-ASA, 59-XJT

All of the XJT aircraft are UAX and at least a dozen or so from ASA are UAX aircraft with the balance being DelCon. I don't know about Skywest.



Said there will still be 155-160 Legacy XJT aircraft on property end of 2015




As a current regional pilot, I implore all mainline pilots to take back both ends of scope. That's the scope choke to worry about!

Not for nuthin' but Southwest is running national TV ads that when you buy a seat on them you fly on a mainline plane.

You are right it won't be 255 in 6 years that is overstating the case, however, it does not change the fact that the 50 seat planes are ALL slated to go the way of the Dodo bird by 2025, AND it is highly likely they will be put to rest before that SO . . .

WITH NO OTHER CHANGES

Scope CHOKES (i.e. limits) the number of jet airframes to 255. Long before the trouble finding qualified pilots started the economics of 50 seaters had already proven their demise and that was part of ALPAs argument. I am not saying the job is over and we should all breath a sigh of relief. All I am saying is that the "doomsday" sayers who argued that the company was going to keep the 50 seat fleet and grow the new UAX to 700 planes strong were simply wrong and now the trend is going in the opposite direction and it is directly the result of ALPA limiting the future UAX fleet to 255. What happens now will determine whether we can take back all our flying but at least we have momentum in the right direction and for once its ok to be a little bit optimistic.