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Scrappy 09-24-2014 04:29 AM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1733323)
Not as much as you think. I have a good friend at SWA and he is lamenting leaving UAL for SAW now that they merged with AirTran. Says it will take him a total of 14 years to make Captain. He says those rumors you hear of Captain making $400k a year, etc is just like here, maybe 1% who get the overtime deals. He says he flies a 4 day trip every week. Gets 3 days off a week. He said he wished they had our new work rules.

The biggest thing they will ever fly is a guppy, and our widebody pilots get more days off on average than their most senior pilots.

A 12 years Captain at SWA maxes out at $216/hour. Ours maxes out at $255/hour. Their FOs $151/hour. Ours make $171.

I wouldn't go there no matter what.

It's not "just the money"...as l-ual pilots love to say. Their company is strong and their employees are happy to be here. Says a lot about the quality of the company and management.

I am glad to be at United and think we will continue to improve. But SWA is great company with good employees and they do make a lot of money.

John Carr 09-24-2014 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Scrappy (Post 1733314)
I agree with everything you say but I sure wouldn't want to be hired there now as a young 30 something. With all the AirTran 30 something's ahead of me there won't be any upgrades in years to come. However great company no doubt.

That's a good point.

A guy that posts on here was hired at UAL in his 20's in the mid 90's, was able to be a 737-200 CA BEFORE he even turned 30. Then, 9/11 happened. He wasn't furloughed, but how long do you think it's taken him to get back to the CA's seat? That is, if he can get back in to the the CA's seat. Never mind the lost income of the concessions, the canning of the retirement, the devaluation of the ESOP and on and on that lasted roughly a decade of his career.

The points you make about it being more than just the hourly is valid. Because in the big picture, they new UAL rates are relatively "new". And aren't really much more than the BK concession rates adjusted for inflation.

Although a SWA FO's tenure in the right seat may have just been prolonged (relative to the growth they enjoyed after 9/11), I don't think they'll be "hurting" for money so speak. But hey, for some 150K a year to jerk gear on a 737 at a company that has CONSISTENTLY made money just ISN'T ENOUGH for some people............

spaaks 09-24-2014 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive (Post 1732855)

"teeny, tiny, itty bitty regional jets" hahahaha

XHooker 09-24-2014 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1733323)
Not as much as you think. I have a good friend at SWA and he is lamenting leaving UAL for SAW now that they merged with AirTran. Says it will take him a total of 14 years to make Captain. He says those rumors you hear of Captain making $400k a year, etc is just like here, maybe 1% who get the overtime deals. He says he flies a 4 day trip every week. Gets 3 days off a week. He said he wished they had our new work rules.

I'm honestly not in touch with anyone at SWA anymore so I can't give anecdotal evidence to the contrary. Seemed to me when I was still in touch with SWA guys if they had any seniority at all they didn't work more than about 14 days a month unless they wanted to and the "hourly" rate didn't tell the story, though they don't have the retirement or probably the benefits of the other majors. To get all those days off they flew their tails off when they were at work, but I don't mind working when I'm at work as long as I'm getting more time at home. Anecdotally, a line holding UAL Captain buddy of mine was seriously considering leaving UAL to start over at SWA a dozen years ago. Having said all that, like you, I'd rather be here than there... for now. I won't have a final answer for you until I retire.


The biggest thing they will ever fly is a guppy, and our widebody pilots get more days off on average than their most senior pilots.
FAR 117 has hurt total days off on the wide bodies and most of us aren't as concerned with what we're flying as much as we are how we're being compensated and how much time off we get at home. Besides, like many of us, I'll spend over half of my career in a narrow body anyway.

A 12 years Captain at SWA maxes out at $216/hour. Ours maxes out at $255/hour. Their FOs $151/hour. Ours make $171.
I don't think an "hourly" rate comparison tells the whole story either way, but they've got a higher percentage of pilots making $216/hr than we do.

I wouldn't go there no matter what.
That's what I have a problem with. We all go to work for different companies for different reasons, but thinking we're better than "that" is how we wind up doing things like giving away scope. I think our future is bright and SWA is having a tougher time implementing its business plan, but betting against them is a fool's game. I firmly believe after the nuclear winter, the only things left alive will be roaches the size of footballs and Southwest Airlines.

Blockoutblockin 09-24-2014 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by XHooker (Post 1733740)
I firmly believe after the nuclear winter, the only things left alive will be roaches the size of footballs and Southwest Airlines.

Why the redundancy?

UAL T38 Phlyer 09-24-2014 10:26 PM

Don't worry; nuclear winter will be offset by global warming.

A football the size of a 737?


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