Originally Posted by BusJock (Post 1597586)

All I want is a company whose business plan is not dependent of deceit. Now think about it....the UCH lawyers had this under their sleeve from the beginning. Make the proposed "solution" for their transgressions something so unpalatable to the combined MEC that we would reject it. Then they win when they lose! Time to line up all the GD lawyers, one in front of the other, so we don't waste too many bullets.

Hey, anyone ever think about this solution? Next profit sharing check have the UAL pilots get a higher percentage than the CAL pilots so UAL pilots get back their rightful and contractually mandated share? Let me guess who wouldn't like THAT idea!

So if I were sold a TV stolen from my brother (and I knew it was stolen) and the cops come by and say they caught, prosecuted and convicted the scumbag that who sold it to me....I still get to keep the TV, right? Heck why not invite my brother over to watch his TV? That's fair.....in some twisted book...by the same author who wrote the CAL ISL proposal, right?

I should post my checking account number so those on the southern side of the cockpit can access my account and bypass all this next time they think they deserve my $$.

There will forever be a stench upon the southern boys and girls in the cockpits of UCH and no amount of soap and scrubbing will remove it....and if they are OK with that, then so be it! We can pontificate about unity and one pilot group BUT that stink will never go away. But then where do most of the (s)tinky pilots reside....you know, the (s)tinky pilots from down south who crossed lines in the mid 80's? Can't use the real S word anymore! Remember ALPA's famous Ode to the (S)tinkers?

If UCH is so interested in a split pilot group, for some drug induced reason, thinking that it benefits the airline, then detox will never cure this. I'm looking forward to the Jeff's Gotta Go pins, just as much as the "Employee-friendly" posters. If Glenn was evil, then Jeff's is Satan himself. Where is the Gardener when you need him?

Just Saying!

Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1597637)

The upsetting part is not that we weren't awarded any restitution. The upsetting part is the guilty party has once again been conditioned to believe the contract can be violated at will without any fear of a deterring verdict. Violate the contract and the worse they'll get is a cease and desist.

Originally Posted by AxlF16 (Post 1597667)

I'd really like to see the arbitrators ruling used to run Jay Pierce (and any other pilot who was involved in that negotiation/decision) out of the union. Pretty damning evidence of anti union activity. I wonder if Article 8 charges would be appropriate?

Originally Posted by Toddnel (Post 1597650)

Welcome to Jeff's world. It's a company of lawyers run by a lawyer. Remember our leader chose to basically sue the CAL pilots the day after we merged to allow United 70 seaters on our company code. We won and got nothing, they just changed how they operated. They still openly flew those aircraft on our routes.

Originally Posted by Toddnel (Post 1597574)

I agree with your take on the contract, the profit sharing was not in the contract, it was a side agreement to end an outstanding 767 grievance and the arbitrator ruled correctly. That said, I did not take a penny from any other pilot. If you would feel better at night if we had to give the money back then so be it. I understand you were probably thinking this meant another check for the UAL guys but in the end the only option was to take our away and give it back to Jeff.

Originally Posted by Regularguy (Post 1598103)

I believe what has been lost in this discussion and chest thumping is how JP and the sCAL management ignored the fact they were no longer living in the CAL vacuum any more.

IT is true the CAL pilots had a legit grievance and they were entitled to compensation for it, but both sides forgot the contract now included nearly 7,000 other pilots. It was this failure which the Neutral ruled on, not the legitimacy of the CAL grievance.

The PS would have been satisfactory had there not been sUAL pilots and the TPA involved and that is why it was wrong.

Personally I'm more than Okay with the monetary award. It had nothing to do with me, nor did it effect me directly. What steamed me was either the ignorance of the two parties or the possibility of intentional disregard for a legal and binding contract between parties.

None of us will know what manipulations the two were up too, but what we all know is the neutral decided, after reviewing all the data, that UAL Management had violated its agreement with its pilot employees. Additionally the grievance proceedings, via their willingness to take back the funds, also demonstrated they, UAL Management, is more than willing to encourage division between the two pilot groups represented by ALPA.

Originally Posted by hopeSales (Post 1598130)

To our CAL buddies - Enjoy your Profit Sharing gift from Jeff, you earned it. :confused: You may want to stop wearing your ALPA pin so you can be easily identified and receive your proper salute.