Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1623502)

ALPA is not holding your money. United Airlines is holding your money on the request of ALPA. WHY? Because the leadership of ALPA knew there would be greedy rat bastard pilots that would file lawsuits. As an organization, ALPA has to protect itself from it's membership. If one of these lawsuits is awarded, are you gonna cut a check for your share? NOPE. Thus the hold back. So you're gonna give up on defending your career because of the greedy rat bastard litigious pilots? That's not very smart, IMO.

Sled

Originally Posted by Moombabeach (Post 1625113)

ALPA would simply charge us an assessment as they have many times in the past, it's my money, I want it, it's been a year. Our union is weak, and ineffective, we are bound by the Railway labor act, and there's no leverage for us. Our PAC is outgunned by PROFESSIONAL lobbyist, and our beloved LUAL ALPA guys only care about their own, the ALPA pin means nothing to me other then legal and aeromedical insurance. Give me my cash..........

Originally Posted by Moombabeach (Post 1625113)

ALPA would simply charge us an assessment as they have many times in the past, it's my money, I want it, it's been a year. Our union is weak, and ineffective, we are bound by the Railway labor act, and there's no leverage for us. Our PAC is outgunned by PROFESSIONAL lobbyist, and our beloved LUAL ALPA guys only care about their own, the ALPA pin means nothing to me other then legal and aeromedical insurance. Give me my cash..........

Originally Posted by Moombabeach (Post 1625113)

ALPA would simply charge us an assessment as they have many times in the past, it's my money, I want it, it's been a year. Our union is weak, and ineffective, we are bound by the Railway labor act, and there's no leverage for us. Our PAC is outgunned by PROFESSIONAL lobbyist, and our beloved LUAL ALPA guys only care about their own, the ALPA pin means nothing to me other then legal and aeromedical insurance. Give me my cash..........

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625353)

I threw my pin in the garbage for a different reason. I am a MIGS, I contribute to the PAC, and I have picketed several times. HOWEVER, I grew up in a union family and I explained to these actual union members what happened during our contract negotiations with the 76 seaters. They chuckled and said, "that's not a union".

THEN I found out that LUAL pilots DEMANDED I wear the pin. Well, that just makes me not want to wear it EVEN MORE!! :)

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625353)

I threw my pin in the garbage for a different reason. I am a MIGS, I contribute to the PAC, and I have picketed several times. HOWEVER, I grew up in a union family and I explained to these actual union members what happened during our contract negotiations with the 76 seaters. They chuckled and said, "that's not a union".

THEN I found out that LUAL pilots DEMANDED I wear the pin. Well, that just makes me not want to wear it EVEN MORE!! :)

Originally Posted by ChrisJT6 (Post 1625384)

You can try and grey this area up all you want but it is so black and white that I'm sure you'll get it someday:
You may not like any choices but there is no not choosing.
ALPA
Management
Scabs
Go ahead and keep it up and just know that the overwhelming majority of Old CAL and UAL pilots won't waste much time wondering which of the latter teams you're on.

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625421)

NOW I'm scared. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625421)

NOW I'm scared. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by hopeSales (Post 1625433)

No need to be SCARED son but while you're standing in the rain by yourself you may not want to drink the water running off you nose ESPECIALLY if it has a strange odor and a yellow tint.

Originally Posted by ChrisJT6 (Post 1625439)

Read again...non threatening post. Don't care if your scared or not...just not gonna do any of us any good with a bunch of confused pilots.

FYI...it's only the pilot profession that does not use DOH to merge SLs. Ask your "union" family what they think of your SLI proposal...then get back up and preach about unionism.

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625446)

I told you what they said.

Originally Posted by ChrisJT6 (Post 1625453)

Yeah...after your weak one-sided version you passed em. Go ahead tell them the whole story...let them read the award

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625466)

If you would read my post. They were briefed on the 76 seat issue (which I will not rehash). They then said ALPA wasn't a real union. Waaay before SLI. I haven't talked to them about SLI. Why so quick to defend SLI?

Originally Posted by ChrisJT6 (Post 1625473)

Not defending SLI...that was the milestone that occurred the same time a bunch of confused pilots became slick ties. Good move, I wouldn't talk to them about SLI, time to pick a side and move on. Good luck in your grey world.

Originally Posted by ChrisJT6 (Post 1625473)

Not defending SLI...that was the milestone that occurred the same time a bunch of confused pilots became slick ties. Good move, I wouldn't talk to them about SLI, time to pick a side and move on. Good luck in your grey world.

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625479)

Ah. Changed your post.


That's what I thought. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by ChrisJT6 (Post 1625384)

You can try and grey this area up all you want but it is so black and white that I'm sure you'll get it someday:
You may not like any choices but there is no not choosing.
ALPA
Management
Scabs
Go ahead and keep it up and just know that the overwhelming majority of Old CAL and UAL pilots won't waste much time wondering which of the latter teams you're on.

Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1625535)

I really don't care which team you want to imagine me to be on as we pass in the hall.

Originally Posted by ChrisJT6 (Post 1625562)

Sad to see pilots hurt themselves...I too don't care about you're "all about número uno crowd".
You carry the torch well...

Nice.

Originally Posted by hopeSales (Post 1621937)

"In my 27+ years of airline flying including, three major airlines, two bankruptcy filings, three mergers, three difficult contract negotiations and three furloughs I have never seen or heard of the kind of stuff that has gone on here."

I won't bother responding to the BS but I will respond to the first paragraph because that's the root of your problem. In the 27+ years in the airline business you seem to have made some pretty bad decisions. When you ended up at CAL your career looked as if it was finally coming around. When Jeff, JP and Tilton showed up they brought in UAL and you felt your life taking another nose dive. Especially after JP filled your head with lies. If JP had been honest and played by the rules, all United pilots and that includes you CAL types would be better off in many ways.
You can keep whining, not wearing your ALPA pin and blaming ALPA for all your bad mistakes if you want, but time is moving on and if you do have 29+ years in the business you probably have don't have a lot of that left. I'd suggest you take the time left and get onboard and enjoy some of the your remaining time at UNITED.

Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1625573)

Another one of your "groups". Putting people in groups is great for small minds.

Originally Posted by ChrisJT6 (Post 1625585)

Whatever you say...you called me a Brain Surgeon last year! I want us to be on the same team...clearly failing at persuading you both. Oh well, I'm not sure I'll be able to live on...

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625631)

"Management loves these guys.. who are self made cracks that they can drive their wedge down deep and hard.... divide and conquer... the oldest game in the book... the easiest game to play... and we've so many that have been played..."



You mean guys who get scared into voting yes? Management REALLY loves THOSE guys. Oldest game in the book indeed.

Originally Posted by ChrisJT6 (Post 1625585)

Whatever you say...you called me a Brain Surgeon last year! I want us to be on the same team...clearly failing at persuading you both. Oh well, I'm not sure I'll be able to live on...

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625643)

We will never be on the same team. Ever. I know you don't care. When even LUAL pilots think that the SLI award was good for them and not good for LCAL pilots (you said I should be embarrassed by the award...not the proposal...but the final award). Why would you care? I do know that the award didn't do much to build unity with its youngest members. Enjoy us. :)

Originally Posted by Snarge (Post 1625646)

I think one of the biggest problems is expectations... Jay P. and company did a very poor job... and even though the CAL proposal was outlandish, it made an impression and created expectations...

Why do you say 'with its youngest members'... on the CAL side, the youngest members gained quite a bit... more bids, more seats, more domiciles, more WB capt time in career... what am I missing? Need some insightful feedback...

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625656)

Really?!? Hey, what did your furloughed pilots gain? Anything?

Originally Posted by Snarge (Post 1625661)

Crap... starting to regret giving you a medium...

longevity.

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625643)

We will never be on the same team. Ever. I know you don't care. When even LUAL pilots think that the SLI award was good for them and not good for LCAL pilots (you said I should be embarrassed by the award...not the proposal...but the final award). Why would you care? I do know that the award didn't do much to build unity with its youngest members. Enjoy us. :)

Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1625588)

No, you called yourselves Brain Surgeons, I believe it was when you referred to the Frontier pilots as General Practitioners. I am sure you were only looking out for their best interest as well.

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625643)

We will never be on the same team. Ever. I know you don't care. When even LUAL pilots think that the SLI award was good for them and not good for LCAL pilots (you said I should be embarrassed by the award...not the proposal...but the final award). Why would you care? I do know that the award didn't do much to build unity with its youngest members. Enjoy us. :)

Originally Posted by ChrisJT6 (Post 1625670)

I didn't call myself or anyone else either...I am starting to thing you believe your own BS...ridiculous.

Originally Posted by ChrisJT6 (Post 1625668)

That part about the award text that smacks down your ridiculous proposal in a historic fashion should be embarrassing to you.

Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1625683)

I know you believe your BS and that's why you won't find a pin on my tie. Plenty of ex furloughed types not wearing any either. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Snarge (Post 1625709)

Pick a side, separated by a thin line... no fence sitting... you are either with us, for them or used by them...

Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625643)

We will never be on the same team. Ever. I know you don't care. When even LUAL pilots think that the SLI award was good for them and not good for LCAL pilots (you said I should be embarrassed by the award...not the proposal...but the final award). Why would you care? I do know that the award didn't do much to build unity with its youngest members. Enjoy us. :)

Originally Posted by Snarge (Post 1625709)

Pick a side, separated by a thin line... no fence sitting... you are either with us, for them or used by them...