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jsled 04-18-2014 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by Moombabeach (Post 1625113)
ALPA would simply charge us an assessment as they have many times in the past, it's my money, I want it, it's been a year. Our union is weak, and ineffective, we are bound by the Railway labor act, and there's no leverage for us. Our PAC is outgunned by PROFESSIONAL lobbyist, and our beloved LUAL ALPA guys only care about their own, the ALPA pin means nothing to me other then legal and aeromedical insurance. Give me my cash..........


Originally Posted by Sleeves
Unfortunately...I agree.

I've been an ALPA member for almost 23 years. The only assessment that I recall was for furloughed member's health insurance. And we voted as a membership to do that. The lawsuits I have seen levied against ALPA did not involve assessments. It has been proven time and time again that members will sue the Association. Holding back some cash until these lawsuits are settled makes perfect sense. As for being outgunned, I can't argue, but what do we do? Give up? Don't even try? I have seen some successful outcomes due to the PAC. KCM comes to mind. So does FAR 117. The ability to put our bankruptcy settlements in an IRA was HUGE. All made possible through lobbying. JMO.

Sled

APC225 06-06-2014 06:38 AM

We're trying hard here to feel the unity but yesterday's MEC Blastmail with the "Meet Your ALPA Volunteer" photo wearing his LUAL uniform seems like it's just tweaking our noses. This was not an ID photo, but a casual snapshot from the waist up. Someone couldn't take out their smartphone and get a current picture? Or was this a current picture and union folks are still wearing their old uniforms. I hear this is still happening on the line but this a bit tone deaf for those representing all 12,000 of us.

oldmako 06-06-2014 07:21 AM

Kind of like half the time when I get lost on CCS or SkyNot and wind up on a "Continental" page. Or seeing the guppy 99 percent of the time there's a pic of an airplane. It's absurd after all this time and a bit annoying. Unintentional or not, I agree. Lets all ride the same damn horse.

I didn't see the blast mail, but that's unsat.

UAL T38 Phlyer 06-06-2014 07:54 AM

Ben Franklin
 
Ol' Ben said it best:

"Either we all hang together, or we will surely all hang separately."

Nothere 06-06-2014 08:18 AM

It's not a big deal and it shouldn't turn into one. He was likely asked to send a current picture in uniform for the email mailing and the only one he had was in an original United uniform.

I haven't taken a picture in the new United uniform and don't ask me to put the uniform on special just to take a picture. Not gonna happen. But what about the IAH LEC officer wearing CAL WINGS embroiderer on shirt recently while doing a trip - that is blatant no matter the reason. You think it makes the original United guy feel loved and wanted in IAH? Most guys are thick skinned enough to know the score and let it slid.

APC225 06-06-2014 03:45 PM

Today's blastmail. Kudos to them for making a correction.

"In the June 5, 2014, United MEC Update, we profiled First Officer Dennis Smith in the "Meet Your ALPA Volunteer" feature. The photo of First Officer Smith, who was wearing the legacy-UAL uniform, used in the profile was a file photo taken from MEC Communications' photo archives. We are extremely mindful of the importance of pilot unity and not condoning anything that works to divide our pilots. The display of the discontinued uniform was unintentional and regrettable."

Moombabeach 06-07-2014 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1659832)
Today's blastmail. Kudos to them for making a correction.

" We are extremely mindful of the importance of pilot unity and not condoning anything that works to divide our pilots. ."


Ha good one, except multiple grievances, profit sharing dispute, asking arbs to throw out 787 fences, one sided ISL that heavily favored UAL etc etc etc.... More blah blah blah from our fearless leaders

Nothere 06-07-2014 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Moombabeach (Post 1660066)
Ha good one, except multiple grievances, profit sharing dispute, asking arbs to throw out 787 fences, one sided ISL that heavily favored UAL etc etc etc.... More blah blah blah from our fearless leaders

Another happy customer - bet you just saw the latest bid awards.

You could vote the bums out but I think you're still the minority. We could try to work together - That may be a better idea don't you think.

Nothere 06-07-2014 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1659832)
Today's blastmail. Kudos to them for making a correction.

"In the June 5, 2014, United MEC Update, we profiled First Officer Dennis Smith in the "Meet Your ALPA Volunteer" feature. The photo of First Officer Smith, who was wearing the legacy-UAL uniform, used in the profile was a file photo taken from MEC Communications' photo archives. We are extremely mindful of the importance of pilot unity and not condoning anything that works to divide our pilots. The display of the discontinued uniform was unintentional and regrettable."

With that retraction and correction, I hope you stand just as firmly and promote Unity within the company by demanding that all company web pages and letter heads have the Continental name stricken and replace with the correct United Airline name.

Just heard from a guy on disability that the disability checks he's been getting from the company say Continental on them - What a smack in the face of all those hard working former/current United employees.

Dave Fitzgerald 06-07-2014 07:28 AM

Does the really big hangar in EWR still say Continental on the front?

Shrek 06-07-2014 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1625790)
I've been an ALPA member for almost 23 years. The only assessment that I recall was for furloughed member's health insurance. And we voted as a membership to do that. The lawsuits I have seen levied against ALPA did not involve assessments. It has been proven time and time again that members will sue the Association. Holding back some cash until these lawsuits are settled makes perfect sense. As for being outgunned, I can't argue, but what do we do? Give up? Don't even try? I have seen some successful outcomes due to the PAC. KCM comes to mind. So does FAR 117. The ability to put our bankruptcy settlements in an IRA was HUGE. All made possible through lobbying. JMO.

Sled

Just went Behnke Circle after the latest NAI video although I planned on doing it earlier until my latest pay longevity bump.
It's worth 45 min. pay every month to have the PAC pushing back on the hill for our careers.
Best money I have ever spent.

Nothere 06-07-2014 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1659832)
Today's blastmail. Kudos to them for making a correction.

"In the June 5, 2014, United MEC Update, we profiled First Officer Dennis Smith in the "Meet Your ALPA Volunteer" feature. The photo of First Officer Smith, who was wearing the legacy-UAL uniform, used in the profile was a file photo taken from MEC Communications' photo archives. We are extremely mindful of the importance of pilot unity and not condoning anything that works to divide our pilots. The display of the discontinued uniform was unintentional and regrettable."

Hope this wasn't a backhanded attemp to attack the gentleman picture in the email. He has done a lot for both UAL and CAL guys deployed in resent years and the reserve and guard guys in general. Many of them won't know him by picture but definitely know him by name.

Moombabeach 06-14-2014 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by Nothere (Post 1660104)
Another happy customer - bet you just saw the latest bid awards.

You could vote the bums out but I think you're still the minority. We could try to work together - That may be a better idea don't you think.

Was there a bid out???

CALFO 06-15-2014 09:03 AM

United airlines parent company is United-Continental Holdings. Why are some people getting so bent out of shape about some web pages/pay stubs having the word "Continental " in them?

Or for that matter, why do some cal pilots get upset over the Tulip logo still hanging around. I think everyone needs to get a grip and accept the merger. We're acting like a bunch of kids whose Parents divorced and remarried. Accept the realty, embrace it, and get on with life.

KillmeNow 06-15-2014 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1665122)
United airlines parent company is United-Continental Holdings. Why are some people getting so bent out of shape about some web pages/pay stubs having the word "Continental " in them?

Or for that matter, why do some cal pilots get upset over the Tulip logo still hanging around. I think everyone needs to get a grip and accept the merger. We're acting like a bunch of kids whose Parents divorced and remarried. Accept the realty, embrace it, and get on with life.

Sure....Lets just forget about UAL, CAL and Alpa just walking all over the junior pilots since the beginning of time. Lets just move on and forget about the seniority loss so many junior pilots had stolen from them furloughed or not. Lets just pretend it never happened......Are you kidding me?

APC225 06-15-2014 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by Nothere (Post 1660111)
With that retraction and correction, I hope you stand just as firmly and promote Unity within the company by demanding that all company web pages and letter heads have the Continental name stricken and replace with the correct United Airline name.

Absolutely. Those are company problems and we know they're unable, uncaring and certainly don't want us unified. This was a union blastmail and, as they said, was "regrettable."

Lerxst 06-15-2014 04:40 PM

Hey, it only took 4 years to get the hangar in DEN re-signed. Merging is difficult.

Nothere 06-15-2014 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1659414)
We're trying hard here to feel the unity but yesterday's MEC Blastmail with the "Meet Your ALPA Volunteer" photo wearing his LUAL uniform seems like it's just tweaking our noses. This was not an ID photo, but a casual snapshot from the waist up. Someone couldn't take out their smartphone and get a current picture? Or was this a current picture and union folks are still wearing their old uniforms. I hear this is still happening on the line but this a bit tone deaf for those representing all 12,000 of us.

Again,


Originally Posted by Nothere (Post 1660161)
Hope this wasn't a backhanded attemp to attack the gentleman picture in the email. He has done a lot for both UAL and CAL guys deployed in recent years and the reserve and guard guys in general. Many of them won't know him by picture but definitely know him by name.

And you didn't even address the LEC officer down in IAH wearing embroidered CAL wings on a work shirt while on duty. I guess he is somehow different and exempt because he was elected and not appointed.

APC225 06-15-2014 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by Nothere (Post 1665347)
And you didn't even address the LEC officer down in IAH wearing embroidered CAL wings on a work shirt while on duty. I guess he is somehow different and exempt because he was elected and not appointed.

How would I even know that? Was his photo in an official union comm? Of course it's wrong.

Dave Fitzgerald 06-15-2014 11:15 PM

But....has the hangar in EWR been changed, or does it still say Continental?

I try to avoid EWR, and for that matter ORD, so I really don't know.


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