ya ya ya, Eye be here alll za veeeek.

I never said anything about the test being easy. I count myself with (I assume) the large majority who isn't too happy at the prospect of missing out on a potential career opportunity just because of not marking a couple of true/false questions on an internet quiz the way some MBA with a psychology minor thinks I should. I'm only trying to get some more discussion going based on what is known about the process for those who want to know what to expect.

As to the 1 in 10 failure rate, I believe the source to be fairly credible, but even reliable sources get their information confused sometimes. If anyone has heard anything to the contrary, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

From a good source of mine that is involved with the hiring process regarding the Hogan test... Supposedly when CV was at the helm, the merit of the test was discussed and his reasoning for supporting it was that the way many individuals handled themselves (poorly) following a thanks but no thanks from not passing the test further supported his belief that the test was doing an acceptable job of weeding out candidates. If this is indeed the case, it wasn't just HR that supported the Hogan test, but CV himself. Now that he has moved on, who knows if BK also believes the test to be of value to their process.

Hummingbear, sorry, after I re-read your prior post I see what your saying now. I just answered the questions consistently and honestly and by some luck of God I some how passed it. It was 2 separate 200 something question tests that were multiple choice answers. I took both tests back to back and it took about 45 minutes. As a previous guy said a lot of the questions repeat themselves word for word, so make sure your answers are the same. I got a phone call for an interview about a week after taking it. Good Luck to you all!!!!

BINGO! The above is the key to the Hogan, consistency in your answers. DO NOT try to game the test, or answer what you think United wants.

Just be honest in your answers so that you won't have to remember to match the other 3 or 4 questions that basically ask the same thing or trait.

Good Luck!

Completely agree. Just answer as honestly as you can. Very repetitive and can be a little disconcerting when you see almost the same question but ever so slightly different. Just stick w honesty.

I don't have a source, but from the people I know who have received the email to take the test... I'd agree with about 1 in 10 are asked for an interview.

I took the test on a weekday afternoon was called the next day for an interview... But that was back in Aug/Sept

Good Luck!

I had heard something similar. Unfortunately, this could be largely a self fulfilling prophecy. Those who pass the test wouldn't dare complain for fear of screwing up the shot they still have at a job. Those who fail would naturally want to appeal the decision, and feeling they have nothing to lose, may conduct themsves less professionally than someone who is still actively in the interview process. Those who fail may not actually be different from those who pass, but are being observed under circumstances that are substantially different.

At any rate, it sounds like there is not a lot of consistency with the post-Hogan timeline. Responses can be anywhere from one day to a week or more. If I'm not mistaken, congratulations (and the interview invitation) come in the form of a phone call; "thanks but no thanks" responses come by email.

I haven't heard of any more phone calls, so it looks like the June interviews have all been contacted. I would expect Phone calls to resume sometime in July or August for the September classes. Good luck to everyone.

Has anyone heard of interviews happening after the few calls went out?
Surely something is brewing up!

Anticipating 4 classes in July with 20 newhires per class. 2 weeks of interviews starting next week to backfill the pool. More interviews in August.

The interviews resulting from the May calls are supposed to take place in June.

What's the word on when invites will start for august interviews?

2-3 weeks out seems to be standard.

There are currently no planned interviews in AUG.

Sept is the last publicly announced resumption after the two weeks in June coming up.

Out of curiosity, were the June interviews publicly announced as of April or March? I seem to recall not seeing anything about them, until all of a sudden mention of calls going out the other week sprung up.

They were announced the first week of May.

The below is a quote to the UAL Poolies from the Sr. Hiring Manager via email blast.

"We have just filled the 6/17 class and there are now 102 of you left in the Pool. New manpower numbers were given to us this afternoon. We will be moving up a number of 76T slots from August to July in order to meet the needs of that fleet. We now expect to have all of you in a class no later than August 12th or 26th."

With the pool empty in August and only 2 weeks worth of interviewees to fill the remaining August slots and September......expect September as advertised, but be prepared for August interviews. There were several folks swimming in both UAL and DAL pools and DAL just emptied there pool. Folks from interviews 2 weeks ago have been offered classes in July. So it is possible UALs pool will empty faster than they expect.

BK continues to tell Poolies that "things from Manpower Management are changing rapidly".

I am only a NH, but very close observer (see Poolie thread) and it looks like UAL Interview/Hiring will finally ramp back up in August/September (if not sooner)!

Get ready and Good Luck.:)

Lots of statements like "they have been interviewing all week" on the Poolie's thread, but not seeing much discussion here on this thread? Anyone on APC here getting calls for interviews?

I'm guessing these are the June interviews we've been anticipating for the past month or so. Those calls went out back in May. It seems like the calls are going out around 2-4 weeks prior to the interview to allow time for the Hogan screening, scheduling concerns, etc.

Next round of interviews will be for September (possibly late August) classes, so I wouldn't expect any phone calls until late July at the very earliest. More likely mid-August.

Recommend keeping a close eye on the Poolie thread.

A couple of folks as posted in there that an internal email has been sent saying interviews to resume 26 per week in AUGUST.:)

Likely to hear calls starting in July.

Good Luck.

Thanks, MPA. If true, I'd say we can all take June off and resume nervously pacing in front of the phone around the second half of July.

I second that.

I remember hearing that having a cheif pilot recommendation would put you into a separate pool than the regular 12000 aplicant pool. Is this still the case with the change in who is running the hiring now?

Not sure that has been the case in the past year. My understanding (and I may be wrong) is that everything you do/have done gives you some magical weighted value. At the end of the day, they sort applications by points scored. Points for total time, points for PIC time, points for military time, and yes, points for letters of recommendation. She/he who has the most points gets the interview.

A recommendation letter from a chief pilot may get you more points than one from a regular line pilot but not sure that it gets you into a separate stack.

At my Chief Pilot interview (Fall 13') it was explained to me:

There are 2 stacks. Following a successful CP recommendation your app goes into the "short stack". At that time I was told there were approx 30-80 folks in the "short stack", he also said if your have a successful CP recommendation that you will get an interview. However, there was not any specific time as to when that interview will occur (for me it was 4 weeks later).

Again, at that time, they were pulling a percentage from both stacks per week to ensure somewhat of an equitable pull from all dynamics. He also said that the pull from the database stack was set-up to bring a percentage of all backgrounds in per week of interviews.

During my period of interviews this did prove to be the case...mil, regional CA and FO, 135 etc...

Other key pieces of info -

The day I had my CP interview there were 5 of us and we all received the recommendation. We all went on to be offered Hogan/interviews....I was the only lucky one to get hired. How I was the only 1 of 5 to get a job offer I will never know (FWIW, I did pray very hard prior, during and after the process....just say'in, something helped) b/c they were all very good folks of all backgrounds, shades and personalities.

LORs - No letters of recommendation are considered until AFTER the interview. (other than the CP recommendation)

This is just the experience of 1, who went thru the process starting fall of 2013. Ask someone who makes it from the June interviews and their story maybe different.

Bottom line: none of us will ever know exactly how the selection for interviews take place and what gets more points than other things. Everyone has to work on their own resume to ensure it is very well rounded with Professionalism, Leadership and Community Relations/Service - flight hours alone will not get it done.

Network - Network and Good Luck!:)

Thanks!
Question: other than having a meet and greet(or equivalent), job fair etc., is there a way for one to submit a resume'?
I don't think one can via airline apps.....

This is what I was told in November when I met with a Chief Pilot. I had heard though the shortest acknowledge was as high as 500 applications at that time. They haven't done much interviewing since then so that short stack could be bigger I'm sure now.

The ORD CPO stopped the meet n greets in december. The last update I got for the ord meet n greet poolies was at the end of Feb saying it would be a few more months till they started meeting with us. As far as I know, the short stack has not been getting any bigger. At least from ord.

Nope, just have it ready when you go to M&G, job fair, and interview.

Interesting. Good news though. Do you think that a successful meet and greet before CV left the office will still have the same weight?
Also, I did mine in another base... You guys have poolie emails?

I did mine in Denver. The 500 I heard was system wide.

Did mine in SFO in November. Still no call or email.

I would hope it would still carry some weight. The intern who sent out the update to the people waiting on ord meet n greets didnt hide the cc list. I think there were 54 of us on the list at that time. I'm sure its bigger by now.

Well, seeing as how we didn't do any hiring between December and now don't feel too bad. The first thing the CP will tell you is that it's not a magic bullet. Lots of folks with CP recs are stills waiting too. Lots. Tons.

Subjective question, I suppose: if one doesn't have the option of an M&G, does a job fair have similar effectiveness(or is it apples and oranges?).

I don't think so. Many more people have gone to job fairs vs M&G so just guessing that is more valuable.

That would be nice getting updates.

That makes sense. So is it absolutely necessary to have an M&G to get an interview?

Nope. I never did a M&G and I start class in July... I did, however, go to Women in Aviation conference.

Does it bother any other line pilots that this M&G stuff is going on? Shouldn't a recomendation from a "line" pilot be worth just as much?

I went to 1 job fair back in September 2012 in ATL. Never did a Meet and Greet, but was working on trying to get one when I got the call for the interview.

Its probably helpful to some who might not otherwise get picked from the awarding of points by the system but who knows. I had 11 letters of rec, 6 were from CAL/UAL people, the others were from other sources.

I am currently a regional CA, Check Airman, and APD, so the points I might not have gotten from a M&G probably came from the other stuff.

I'm not a big fan of the job fair thing, and I'll never know if its what got me the call or not, but do whatever it takes to get the job you want (within reason of course). :)

Looking forward to starting class soon. :D Good luck!!!