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Scott Stoops 05-22-2014 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp05 (Post 1649284)
Ole Scotty wears his ALPA pin so we know he loves unity! Really, his above post is all about unity. If you don't think so, then it's because you're a scab loving exCon.

My post is not about unity. Neither was his. You can't have it both ways. CaL took a bunch of bids (deny it, go ahead), yet in this one instance the contract benefits both sides (each can use the displacement provisions) and somehow it is the ual side sticking it to the cal side.

Scott

guppyflyer 05-22-2014 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 1649341)
Part of the reason the airline sucks is because of poor customer service. If you are part of that problem then just go away.

I believe that is exactly what we are trying to get SMI/J to do......there's a reason why customer service stinks and it resides in the Willis Tower.

pilot64golfer 05-22-2014 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 1649341)
Legacy united people are going to drive this company into bankruptcy again.

Last time I checked you were ahead 2 BK to our 1. We didn't lose $600M in the 1st quarter because Legacy United people demand that the contract be followed.

Is that what they told you at CAL? If they really followed the contract you would be out of business?

Then maybe management should not have agreed to put that in the contract.

CousinEddie 05-22-2014 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 1649341)
Legacy united people are going to drive this company into bankruptcy again. You (l-UAL) are more preoccupied with making a point than having a functional airline. I don't like our management. I don't like our direction. I do want this airline to succeed. I am not going to cut off my nose to spite my face. If you don't like it here then leave. All I want to do is provide a good service for a fair wage. I don't want your baggage- I don't care who crapped on you before. Passengers don't care about how you were lied to. They don't care that you were betrayed. They just want what they paid for. If you can't do that then just leave. Part of the reason the airline sucks is because of poor customer service. If you are part of that problem then just go away.

Wow. After reading this I might just go out and get me one of those $7 bottles of Trader Joe's wine that they serve to our Global First customers.

mrmak2 05-22-2014 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1649393)
Last time I checked you were ahead 2 BK to our 1. We didn't lose $600M in the 1st quarter because Legacy United people demand that the contract be followed.

Is that what they told you at CAL? If they really followed the contract you would be out of business?

Then maybe management should not have agreed to put that in the contract.

Hiding behind contract language doesn't prove a point. And it certainly doesn't make a profitable airline. I have seen firsthand the difference in attitude between legacy U and legacy CAL. I know you got a raw deal. Don't think that manipulating the contract is going to fix what's been done. In the process of getting even you are going to ruin this place. Then what will you have proved? That Jeff is an idiot?

ron kent 05-22-2014 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 1649341)
Legacy united people are going to drive this company into bankruptcy again. You (l-UAL) are more preoccupied with making a point than having a functional airline. I don't like our management. I don't like our direction. I do want this airline to succeed. I am not going to cut off my nose to spite my face. If you don't like it here then leave. All I want to do is provide a good service for a fair wage. I don't want your baggage- I don't care who crapped on you before. Passengers don't care about how you were lied to. They don't care that you were betrayed. They just want what they paid for. If you can't do that then just leave. Part of the reason the airline sucks is because of poor customer service. If you are part of that problem then just go away.

Making a point is what is known as honoring the contract. I don't let anyone crap on me and get away with it. You wonder why this management is cheating on the contract so much? It is because you all let them get away with it for years. I am not going anywhere, I will keep making a point until I like it here.

pilot64golfer 05-22-2014 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 1649401)
Hiding behind contract language doesn't prove a point.

One man's "hiding behind contract language" is another man's "I'm upholding what we agreed to and not letting management push me around".

Your statement and that you believe it really says it all I think.

CousinEddie 05-22-2014 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 1649401)
Hiding behind contract language doesn't prove a point. And it certainly doesn't make a profitable airline. I have seen firsthand the difference in attitude between legacy U and legacy CAL. I know you got a raw deal. Don't think that manipulating the contract is going to fix what's been done. In the process of getting even you are going to ruin this place. Then what will you have proved? That Jeff is an idiot?

Do you think anyone in senior management would permit the contract that they signed with the company to be violated even once? Why do you find a doouble standard to be acceptable?

mrmak2 05-22-2014 01:04 PM

Everyone here knows the difference between following the letter of the law and making an airline work. My point is that there are l-UAL people who are more preoccupied with making a statement than working as an airline pilot. I have seen it firsthand. Don't be that guy. Please. Yes, like most here, I have struggled through a fight for a contract. It doesn't mean I undermine my airline by using it as a weapon.

MasterOfPuppets 05-22-2014 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 1649423)
Everyone here knows the difference between following the letter of the law and making an airline work. My point is that there are l-UAL people who are more preoccupied with making a statement than working as an airline pilot. I have seen it firsthand. Don't be that guy. Please. Yes, like most here, I have struggled through a fight for a contract. It doesn't mean I undermine my airline by using it as a weapon.

7-2-2013.........only one more month with that half wing! By the way just how senior is your dad?


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