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Gupboy 06-16-2014 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1665859)
I think this analysis may be flawed. Was the 7954 pilot awarded the position in a vacancy bid or via a displacement? My guess is that it's a displacement. I think the real seniority number of pilots bidding in is at about 7000. I expect it will get closer to 8000 within a year, but right now that's what you need in order to be awarded captain on the 737.

Didn't consider the displacement possibility. I think you are right. The most junior LUAL 737 CA I could find via vac bid was around 6180 The most junior LUAL A320 CA is 6366. The most junior LUAL Ca system wide at ISL was 6593.

krudawg 06-16-2014 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by NavyCal (Post 1664912)
MoveOn.org is nothing new. Read your history. Start with Trotsky and Marx, go forward to Mao, and then YOU will learn of the inevitable failure of progressivism in all its ugly forms. It can be an alluring siren call for the lazy and entitled, but it will always fail.

Be careful NavyCal, my experience here at LUAL for the last some odd 28 years has been our pilot group(former LUAL), as a whole, has been decidedly left of Karl Marx. A conservative voice in the crowd was always shouted down with inappropriate epitaphs and threats of physical violence. I speak from personal experience. After 8 years or so on the old Compuserve/ALPA forum, I left in disgust. At least on this board, liberal thugs don't gang up on a conservative voice.
With regard to Moveon.org, lets not forget that one of the wealthiest Left-wing anti-american 1 percenters, George Soros, has bank-rolled their operation.

pilot64golfer 06-16-2014 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by Gupboy (Post 1666043)
Didn't consider the displacement possibility. I think you are right. The most junior LUAL 737 CA I could find via vac bid was around 6180 The most junior LUAL A320 CA is 6366. The most junior LUAL Ca system wide at ISL was 6593.

The most junior LUAL Captain on the merger date was an Airbus Captain in IAD who ended up over 7,000 on the ISL and wasn't sitting in that seat because he had been displaced post merger. There were a few including Airbus Captains in LAX and SFO, either close to 7,000 or over it.

Airhoss 06-16-2014 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1666074)
The most junior LUAL Captain on the merger date was an Airbus Captain in IAD who ended up over 7,000 on the ISL and wasn't sitting in that seat because he had been displaced post merger. There were a few including Airbus Captains in LAX and SFO, either close to 7,000 or over it.

I was one of them out of LAX. I don't remember what my seniority number was back then though.

Probe 06-16-2014 09:23 PM

I'll bet a months pay there are either none, or less than 50 737 or A320 Capt vacancies in the next year., We are parking over 70 75's in the next year, and taking only 24 uberGuppies to replace them. That, and from 2010 to 2013 about 700 pilot's worth of block hours were transferred from U side to the C side.

In the next year there will be 700-1200 lUAL pilots displaced off the 76T fleet. Maybe a bit more. Because of the really junior lCal captains in all the bases, it will allow the vast majority (over 80%) of even the FO's in those bases to displace to the left seat if they want it.

24 Guppies in the next year requires 130-140 Captains. Not the 850 as another poster wrote. Even with 100 retirements off the 73, there is no scenario where we get anywhere near that number.

Some of those pilots will displace to wide bodies, which should reduce even the vacancies on those fleets, minus Sparky because of the fence.

I think everyone is going to be surprised how few vacancies will be available in the next 12-18 months. Shocked might be a better term.

intrepidcv11 06-16-2014 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 1666072)
Be careful NavyCal, my experience here at LUAL for the last some odd 28 years has been our pilot group(former LUAL), as a whole, has been decidedly left of Karl Marx. A conservative voice in the crowd was always shouted down with inappropriate epitaphs and threats of physical violence. I speak from personal experience. After 8 years or so on the old Compuserve/ALPA forum, I left in disgust. At least on this board, liberal thugs don't gang up on a conservative voice.

A conservative voice being threatened with violence by a crowd of airline pilots? That's about as believable as Rosie O'Donnell and Mullah Omar sharing a cup of tea...

SpecialTracking 06-17-2014 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1666107)
I'll bet a months pay there are either none, or less than 50 737 or A320 Capt vacancies in the next year., We are parking over 70 75's in the next year, and taking only 24 uberGuppies to replace them. That, and from 2010 to 2013 about 700 pilot's worth of block hours were transferred from U side to the C side.

In the next year there will be 700-1200 lUAL pilots displaced off the 76T fleet. Maybe a bit more. Because of the really junior lCal captains in all the bases, it will allow the vast majority (over 80%) of even the FO's in those bases to displace to the left seat if they want it.

24 Guppies in the next year requires 130-140 Captains. Not the 850 as another poster wrote. Even with 100 retirements off the 73, there is no scenario where we get anywhere near that number.

Some of those pilots will displace to wide bodies, which should reduce even the vacancies on those fleets, minus Sparky because of the fence.

I think everyone is going to be surprised how few vacancies will be available in the next 12-18 months. Shocked might be a better term.

Yep.............

Airhoss 06-17-2014 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1666167)
Yep.............

IMPOSSIBLE! I've read right here on APC that here will be no bumps.;)

krudawg 06-17-2014 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by intrepidcv11 (Post 1666123)
A conservative voice being threatened with violence by a crowd of airline pilots? That's about as believable as Rosie O'Donnell and Mullah Omar sharing a cup of tea...

I'm guessing you've never been on the old Compuserve/ALPA forum. The moderators did nothing to stop the runaway liberal thuggery or thought police.

Airhoss 06-17-2014 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 1666204)
I'm guessing you've never been on the old Compuserve/ALPA forum. The moderators did nothing to stop the runaway liberal thuggery or thought police.

Same core group of iceholes who run roughshod over the membership over at UAL forums. There are about 3 or 4 primary big mouths who do the majority of it.


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