MoveOn.org is nothing new. Read your history. Start with Trotsky and Marx, go forward to Mao, and then YOU will learn of the inevitable failure of progressivism in all its ugly forms. It can be an alluring siren call for the lazy and entitled, but it will always fail.

Flyby,

Thanks and hopefully we will meet one day. Once the veneer is removed, you'd be surprised how much we have in common.

Lame Duck.

To the guys that try to dispel rumors to justify their actions and point fingers to scare or intimidate it will always cast suspicions in their own direction. The ones that genuinely care about what they're doing for others have a tendency NOT to tot-their-own-horn, while the opposite is true for the do-gooders.

With the recent DRC decision, a comment like " I think with the 2/3 CAL list and new hires we are working towards a group that is strong and picks their battles well to win the war." it implies that management and management wannabes along with their selected group have somehow won a war against ALPA and those they represent. Yes, management stooges amongst us.

For the sake of unity, the United MEC has specifically stated the remedy to remove those or take away from those that gained which they weren't entitled to was not an acceptable remedy. This has driven decisions by the arbitrator but was necessary for ALPA to protect rights to the process in the future.

If the Pierce following or management wannabes amongst us want to pound-chest and claim victory, you'd be wrong and exposed.

The UAL side didn't really lose anything.

Their remedy was to have a Captain bid out for the UAL side. Anyone who's been paying attention knows that all the recent Captain bids are going to LUAL guys.

So….Captain bids will continue to come out and the awards will go to LUAL anyway.

We won't see anyone hired in 2005 get a Captain bid again for a LONG time.

Those junior guys from CAL who got the bids out of seniority (bidding into LUAL bases when we were forbidden to bid those seats) should be happy that they're making the big bucks and got away with something.

Everybody wins!

Just for clarification, the Capt bids are going out to the "senior Lual" because they are SENIOR! The SENIOR Lcal guys are not bidding those positions since they are Lual bases! Thats why you saw such JUNIOR Lcal guys hold Capt in those bases in the first place! :eek: Most senior guys didn't want to go to those bases unless they lived close. I'm glad to see the Lual get movement as it should be!!

Yet they are dumbfounded when they keep on getting pushed down in BES every month - totally clueless.

Uh....yes they did. How about 2 or more years of Captains pay?? Can be significant. :confused:

So are people that post on here that think most these junior guys didn't realize what was going to happen! I just think that they wanted to upgrade ASAP just as the UAL guys would have! I think when it will sink in is a couple yrs from know when they get sick of crappy schedules!! But, we had people bid over to the rt seat at first chance WAY before the Merger so I'm not sure what everyones point is? :rolleyes:

Since ISL there have been relatively few CA bids, so naturally they will be taken by LUAL pilots who can hold them and WANT them.

According to July staffing, the most junior LUAL EWR 737 CA is number 7954. Mixed right in with LCAL 05 hires. Obviously some very senior LUAL pilots did not bid those seats. So that "long time" comment is subject to debate. Nearly half of LCAL 05 hires are merged with LUAL 97 hires, who are rightfully assuming CA bids. Most LCAL 05 hires that wanted a captain bid already have it. Most others are 777/787 FO's or very senior in seat 737 FO's. Without knowing the companies staffing plans, it's pure speculation stating how long it will take for a seniority block to hold a seat.