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pilot64golfer 06-11-2014 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1662806)
Earlier today Arbitrator Eischen denied the UAL DRC's case on Claim 1.

He's a neutral arbitrator and I can live with the results.

SpecialTracking 06-11-2014 08:48 PM

Time to wear the the pin and move the eff on. Enough of the controversies and drama.

Shrek 06-11-2014 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1662806)
Earlier today Arbitrator Eischen denied the UAL DRC's case on Claim 1.

Do you have a copy of the decision ?
I have heard this but I want to read the reasoning and I will move on. Matter of fact we should all move on towards one group.

Nothere 06-12-2014 04:19 AM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1652238)
Always interesting reading. Especially the part where ALPA not be bound by any decision to back pay pilots denied captain seats or remove current captains from their seats, but allow the union and the company "wiggle room" to settle it with a side deal. Those deals never seem to go our way, but LUAL pilots are in complete control of our union now so it will be interesting to see if there's a different result.



Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1662806)
Earlier today Arbitrator Eischen denied the UAL DRC's case on Claim 1.

Interesting you chose to post the initial claim and not the decision. You wouldn't be trying to fan the fire a little there would you? It would have been easy enough for you to post the decision but I quess it wouldn't have gotten your desired results of renewing the xxxxxxx contest.

APC225 06-12-2014 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by Nothere (Post 1663078)
Interesting you chose to post the initial claim and not the decision. You wouldn't be trying to fan the fire a little there would you? It would have been easy enough for you to post the decision but I quess it wouldn't have gotten your desired results of renewing the xxxxxxx contest.

One of the reps working the arbitration disclosed the decision yesterday, but the document has not been released yet.

Nothere 06-12-2014 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1663092)
One of the reps working the arbitration disclosed the decision yesterday, but the document has not been released yet.

It wasn't one of the IAH reps crowing a little - was it? You implied that the MEC was controlled by those abusive LUAL pilots and they were out for revenge in spite of the fact that the original filing stated that removing LCAL pilot from seats was and unacceptable resolution. And I'm sure the outcome of the arbitrators decision was based largely on that desire.

The continued undermining and back-biting at the LEC level needs to stop. It serves no purpose other than to continue the divide between the pilot groups.

As a side note - Recent bid awards went overwhelming to the LUAL side in both seat and base. It's no mistake that this trend will continue as the seniority list rights itself after the abuses caused primarily by the Company and the LCAL MEC side.

untied 06-12-2014 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by ChrisJT6 (Post 1655734)
Why not unite over scope? Who does it help to predict future failures and losses?
We lost our 50 seat scope in a shady one man 9/11 side-letter....

That is NOT true.

The LUAL pilots gave up the 50 seat scope in BK. It was part of the concessionary contract.

The "side letter" involved allowing a larger gross weight 70 seater on the property. We put a limit on the size of the 70 seater and the Embraer was too big. Whiteford made up a side letter to allow a bigger 70 seater...but the Canadair 70 seater was given up by ALL of us as part of the BK contract.

I'll still don't understand why he gave them that side letter without getting anything in return.

oldmako 06-12-2014 06:04 AM

Because he was a spineless idiot?

APC225 06-12-2014 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by Nothere (Post 1663113)

Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1652238)
Those deals never seem to go our way, but LUAL pilots are in complete control of our union now so it will be interesting to see if there's a different result.

You implied that the MEC was controlled by those abusive LUAL pilots and they were out for revenge...

I was implying, quite cynically, that when the union is given the lattitude in the remedy it often seems to muck it up. The extract from the argument indicated the desire to not be hemmed in by a too-specific remedy. I guess I'd rather be hemmed in than have the union work something out with the company. Tell us what the remedy is, whatever it is, and require the company to comply. The LCAL union seemed to be particularly vulnerable to getting the bad end of the deal and "LUAL pilots are in complete control of our union now so it will be interesting to see if there's a different result" not regarding the decision, but possibly negotiating a remedy with the company if given that lattitude.

Nothere 06-12-2014 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1663124)
I was implying, quite cynically, that when the union is given the lattitude in the remedy it often seems to muck it up. The extract from the argument indicated the desire to not be hemmed in by a too-specific remedy. I guess I'd rather be hemmed in than have the union work something out with the company. Tell us what the remedy is, whatever it is, and require the company to comply. The LCAL union seemed to be particularly vulnerable to getting the bad end of the deal and "LUAL pilots are in complete control of our union now so it will be interesting to see if there's a different result" not regarding the decision, but possibly negotiating a remedy with the company if given that lattitude.

There is absolutely no evidence that the current MEC has done anything to favor LUAL pilots over LCAL pilots. You know this but I guess it works to drive the nitwits that believe everything you tell them without question.

The fact that the LUAL pilots are the majority and will likely be the majority for some time and have a majority of pilots at the most domiciles drives the members on the MEC. What would you have us do, turn over the MEC to the minority and see how it works out. I don't think so considering your actions in the early phases of the merger.

Now, if you can come up with any evidence that the LCAL pilots are being slighted to favor the LUAL pilot please post it and quit fanning the fire with lies, rumors and innuendoes.


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