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pilot64golfer 07-13-2014 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 1682889)
Nine times 120 - All Pilots at the Company!!

Huh? 9x120 = 1,080 Pilots.
1,080/ 12,600 = 8.5% of all pilots.

This is about right and what we saw in the late 90s on the UAL guppy fleets.

TaylorB 07-13-2014 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1683444)
I also looked at the BAT as abrogation of seniority. Everyone should have been able to bid those positions.

Why?
I'm not saying I'm happy about this, but how is this so different than merging the two lists in the cities which have both 76t and 756?

There wouldn't be a vacancy, they would just merge the lists.

BUT there was a vacancy for anyone who really wanted it... As I recall 100 76t FOs a month or two ago? Voluntary BAT to the 756 was always an option from that point.

Probe 07-13-2014 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by TaylorB (Post 1683512)
Why?
I'm not saying I'm happy about this, but how is this so different than merging the two lists in the cities which have both 76t and 756?

There wouldn't be a vacancy, they would just merge the lists.

BUT there was a vacancy for anyone who really wanted it... As I recall 100 76t FOs a month or two ago? Voluntary BAT to the 756 was always an option from that point.

Because they didn't merge the two lists. They are officially two separate categories.

I am personally not upset about this, as it did not affect me. But it affected someone.

TaylorB 07-15-2014 02:02 PM

Award is published EWR 76t to 756 --
FOs: 27 voluntary bids & 63 involuntary

MasterOfPuppets 07-15-2014 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by TaylorB (Post 1684848)
Award is published EWR 76t to 756 --
FOs: 27 voluntary bids & 63 involuntary


Brutal.......Every single new hire to the 76T since new hires started being given the plane displaced to the 756. Say goodbye to the days of a new hire holding a line.

MasterOfPuppets 07-15-2014 03:08 PM

also 10 more EWR 76T CAs took a BAT so that now leaves 23 in base. Makes me wonder if they are just going to shut the base down and run all the 767-300 flying as a W through other bases. They already found a way to reroute the PS flying through other bases and there is no domestic.

voodiloquist 07-15-2014 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 1684860)
Brutal.......Every single new hire to the 76T since new hires started being given the plane displaced to the 756. Say goodbye to the days of a new hire holding a line.

And you expected to hold a line on a 67 as a new hire? Funny stuff.

jsled 07-15-2014 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 1683139)
Why on earth did the Union agree to this seniority abrogating procedure anyway? Seems to me that if you're on either of these two aircraft, (76T & 756), you get the best of both worlds. Full participation in our regular vacancy bids AND these private BAT ones. Guys on the A320 & the 737 would like a shot at these slots as well but are locked out. Absolute horse-****

There is not a net gain or loss in BAT. If there was, there would be vacancies or displacements for all to bid. It's as if the fleet were one... the decrease in 76T = the increase in 756. No change.

757Driver 07-15-2014 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1684938)
There is not a net gain or loss in BAT. If there was, there would be vacancies or displacements for all to bid. It's as if the fleet were one... the decrease in 76T = the increase in 756. No change.

Still BS. Why not let the 76T guys get displaced and hold anywhere their relative seniority would fall and EVERYBODY bid on the 756 openings.

Trust me when I tell you this isn't a CAL only gripe as quite a few Airbus types are ****ed about it as well.

Probe 07-15-2014 10:33 PM

My point exactly. ALPA agreed to this.


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