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Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1683637)

I know that you are using Denver for explanatory reasons only here. But I will mention just for education sake for the new hires about the seniority levels on the 76T in Denver. I was hired in 1997 that makes 17 years on property at UAL. I've never been furloughed and I am one of the bottom 5 pilots on reserve in the right seat of the 76T in Denver.

What happened was when they shut down the 737 almost all of the 737 captains that couldn't hold 320 or 76T captain in Denver surplussed to the right seat of 76T. Then all of us other jr captains who were commuting to the left seat from Denver on the 737 or the 320 who got surplussed and couldn't hold captain anywhere anymore just came back to Denver and most of us went to the right seat of the 76T as well.

I don't think there is a single solitary F/O on the 76T in Denver who can't hold 737 captain everywhere and 756 captain in most places. So IF you bid the 76T and are wanting to come to Denver anytime soon fuggedaboudit. Not to mention they are talking about shutting down the 76T in Denver all together. As a new hire your movement options are much better on the 320 or the 737. Plus the pay is about the same so go for the seniority, take a NB bid you'll make a lot more money and you will have more choices.

The JRMAN list shows that there are many guppy Captains that can't hold 76T FO in DEN, so I'd avoid that fleet if someone is looking to get into DEN. Probably the guppy fleet is the best, but that still looks like a few years away for new hires.

But if a new hire wanted to work in the Training Center as a PI they could probably get to DEN within their first year......

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Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1683629)

True, but we've had these "COLAs" for years, and they say you can have a month or partial month off, and then out of the entire airline they would offer maybe 30 people partial months off, so it really isn't that big of a deal. The JAN, FEB and MAR COLA bulletin resulted in 1 pilot getting exactly 7 days off in 3 months our of over 100 pilots, which is essentially 1/12th of 1% of the available pilots being awarded time off.

So this isn't what it seems, and it doesn't mean we are overstaffed by 1,400 pilots which is what some people thought pre-SLI when they saw this.

They also offered this for APR and MAY and then didn't award anybody during those months.

So there is a difference between what is offered and what is awarded.

Must be true. I asked for one of those COLAs and I never heard nothin'. I wish they would at least say denied. Put mine in for Aug/Sep. You can't win if you don't play.

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Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1683643)

You need 12 bid months on property in the new contract to be eligible for a PI job.

Chairman

APC225

Welcome to the new United. No one answers emails, returns calls etc. On a brighter note, after 20-100 minutes on hold, sometimes you do get to talk to someone in Mumbai about one of your numerous IT issues.

Most unprofessional thing I have ever had the misfortune to be involved with.

Did the new seniority and junior man list at each base and equipt come out recently?

I'm a twice furloughed and now vol furloughed pilot trying to figure out what I can hold and when and if it is worth coming back.

Can someone PM with the list so I can see it. Also if I come back can I only bid what the new hire class has on offer or can I bid what I can hold and what about seat locks.

I've been out of the loop for years so I have no information on anything.

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Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1683658)

It's not unfamiliar. LCAL's approach was if someone could get back to you then that department was obviously overstaffed and they'd reduce the size of it until they couldn't. Not the department's fault. Good people in them, just understaffed. In 2003 they saw that reserves weren't flying their MPG each month so they came to what they thought was an obvious conclusion from a windowless office, that they didn't need so many pilots. Furloughed another "tranche" and couldn't meet their schedule and lost some premium CRAF flying too. Gordon fired the person who made that decision, someone pretty high up and politically well-placed. There are no Gordon's here now.

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There are no Gordon's here now.

Nope just Jeffs

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Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1683708)

Nope just Jeffs

Yup............

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Originally Posted by unitedflyier (Post 1683692)

If you are 2x furloughed I'm gonna assume you are on furlough bypass. This is a technically important distinction.

A furloughed pilot, including one who was recalled but bypassed, returns to whatever is offered in the recall/new-hire class.

A pilot who took an official voluntary furlough, and was not subsequently involuntarily furloughed, returns to his/her prior base/equipment/seat. If that BES no longer exists that pilot can bump into anything they can hold on the junior man list.

Unlike in the past, a pilot on any sort of furlough has access to the full UA intranet so you can log on and see everything. Also, with the UPA there is not a seat lock if you move UP an aircraft group so one could, for example, receive EWR 737 and then immediately bid 767 in a different base if a lateral in the 737 is not available. The old freeze is dropped and only the 2 year training freeze from the new bid is carried forward.

Be very cautious with the junior man chart as things have not quite settled out after the SLI and the company's realignments. There are some bases that might look good on paper but there simply have not been any bids available to get there. In addition to the junior man chart, look at the fleet rosters for your desired base to figure out your actual % in that BES for a more realistic picture.