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Dave Fitzgerald 05-02-2015 03:02 PM

So, this presents a unified pilot group going into contract talks, what, next year??

Regardless of the plight of IAH pilots, which I don't wish on anyone, this would be a very bad precedent to set.

SpecialTracking 05-02-2015 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 1872692)
So, this presents a unified pilot group going into contract talks, what, next year??

Regardless of the plight of IAH pilots, which I don't wish on anyone, this would be a very bad precedent to set.

Nothing will unify a group like the company's section 6 Christmas list. I still have faith, although sometimes shaken.

pilot64golfer 05-02-2015 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 1872692)
So, this presents a unified pilot group going into contract talks, what, next year??

Regardless of the plight of IAH pilots, which I don't wish on anyone, this would be a very bad precedent to set.

Yes. The argument here is "protecting IAH pilots". Are we that fragmented as a group? Was there a "north vs south" battle for flying pre-merger at CAL that created this type of thinking?

What's worth is it harms the base. This is why. 100% of all the IAH pilots can stay in IAH on the surplus. No one can be forced out. Let's say a 737 Captain decides to go to EWR and stay a 737 Captain, he's choosing to leave the base. He's now a EWR based pilot. So 2 years down the road there is an IAH 737 Captain bid and a IAH based 756 FO who is senior decides to bid it, but it is being "held" for a guy who has been based in EWR for 2 years. How does that benefit the IAH based pilot? What does his seniority count for? Nothing, its been abrogated by politics.

This isn't going to happen period. Ben is 30 from the bottom and likely to be bumped, which is unfortunate. But where was this proposal when there were 40 737 pilots displaced from IAH in January? Now that Ben is affected he wants protection.

Fragmenting the pilot group by domicile and setting up competing political interests is not in the best interest of the entire pilot group.

A320 05-02-2015 07:12 PM

Our(LUAL) entitlement to fly your -400 was probably a more than fair deal to not fence our 777s from the LCAL guys.

XHooker 05-04-2015 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1872712)
This isn't going to happen period.

I admittedly haven't been following this (not IAH based), but is there any formal proposal being submitted to the MEC? As you say, if the company wants to move pilots around, they're going to do it and I don't see any realistic path to avoiding IAH displacements.

full of luv 05-04-2015 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1872712)
Yes. The argument here is "protecting IAH pilots". Are we that fragmented as a group? Was there a "north vs south" battle for flying pre-merger at CAL that created this type of thinking?

What's worth is it harms the base. This is why. 100% of all the IAH pilots can stay in IAH on the surplus. No one can be forced out. Let's say a 737 Captain decides to go to EWR and stay a 737 Captain, he's choosing to leave the base. He's now a EWR based pilot. So 2 years down the road there is an IAH 737 Captain bid and a IAH based 756 FO who is senior decides to bid it, but it is being "held" for a guy who has been based in EWR for 2 years. How does that benefit the IAH based pilot? What does his seniority count for? Nothing, its been abrogated by politics.

This isn't going to happen period. Ben is 30 from the bottom and likely to be bumped, which is unfortunate. But where was this proposal when there were 40 737 pilots displaced from IAH in January? Now that Ben is affected he wants protection.

Fragmenting the pilot group by domicile and setting up competing political interests is not in the best interest of the entire pilot group.

Maybe the LEC should ask the MEC for a joint resolution expressing sympathy for the plight of the IAH based pilots.

Then they can all retreat to a nice dinner and talk about it over some drinks.

sovt 05-04-2015 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by A320 (Post 1872799)
Our(LUAL) entitlement to fly your -400 was probably a more than fair deal to not fence our 777s from the LCAL guys.

Given the results of the 747 fence you guys demanded, it's too bad you didn't ask for all sorts if fences.

AllenAllert 05-04-2015 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by sovt (Post 1873472)
Given the results of the 747 fence you guys demanded, it's too bad you didn't ask for all sorts if fences.

Are you kidding? All LUAL Pilots wanted to be SUPER GUPPY pilots. In reality what we did was give the good LCAL guys a break by corralling most of the less desirables on SPARKY. You're welcome!

Scrappy 05-04-2015 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by AllenAllert (Post 1873665)
Are you kidding? All LUAL Pilots wanted to be SUPER GUPPY pilots. In reality what we did was give the good LCAL guys a break by corralling most of the less desirables on SPARKY. You're welcome!

As usual it always breaks down to this… :mad:

Unfortunate.

AllenAllert 05-04-2015 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by Scrappy (Post 1873689)
As usual it always breaks down to this… :mad:

Unfortunate.

Yes, it's unfortunate that you didn't correct one of your own. :mad::mad:



Originally Posted by sovt (Post 1873472)
Given the results of the 747 fence you guys demanded, it's too bad you didn't ask for all sorts if fences.



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