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09-19-2014, 11:18 AM

#131

XHooker

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Originally Posted by pilot64golfer

I keep hearing this but I don't recall anyone actually saying this.

It's been said on this very forum, but I admittedly used it as hyperbole knowing the keyboard commandos saying it were using it likewise.

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UAL has had a EWR base for over 40 years. We called it "JFK" but we covered all the bases in the area. We've flown 747, 777, DC-10, 727, 737, Airbus 320/319, 757 and 767 out of that base. Even on the merger date we had a base there, flying 757/767 and Airbus 320.

Also, UAL had 100 firm orders for the guppy to replace the 757s, so why would we not want to fly an airplane that was ordered for us to fly? We started getting guppies over a year ago (pre-SLI) and I don't ever recall anyone stating that we didn't want to fly an airplane we were getting or being based in NY.

Saying a 777 or 747 is a better job than guppy is not the same thing as "no one wants to fly the guppy". Clearly 747 and 777 is a better job considering no one under 2,000 on the seniority list is flying as a 777 or 747 Captain, but there are guys under 8,000 as guppy Captains.

How big was the UAL NYC domicile at the time of the merger? What percentage of NYC CA and WB FO bids are now going to LUAL pilots?

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This "we don't want to fly the guppy" is something I've only ever heard CAL pilots state, usually ones that are on the guppy and having more pilots move in on top of them.

See the first paragraph. Give yourself extra credit for the passive-aggressive jab.

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Maybe if the junior pilots that bid off hadn't left for other bases, there wouldn't have been positions open for other pilots to bid in.

If you're really interested, you can check the last year's worth of vacancy bids to check the validity in that statement. Regardless, I don't think you'll ever admit to the possibility the merger has been hard for pilots on both sides.

09-19-2014, 11:19 AM

#132

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Originally Posted by Pkcola

No, I've had right all along. You, the CAL pilots, should be more supportive of ALPA. National gave you new breath in what would have been a floundering career. The rank-in-fie would NOT have been so generous or understanding.

The phrase about why you don't wrestle a pig comes to mind right about now.

09-19-2014, 12:42 PM

#133

pilot64golfer

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Originally Posted by XHooker

How big was the UAL NYC domicile at the time of the merger? What percentage of NYC CA and WB FO bids are now going to LUAL pilots?

I don't know, but those bids are open for all pilots on the list. Lots of CAL pilots could bid those, but they choose not to. Keep in mind that as many LUAL pilots bidding into EWR and IAH is probably close to the number of LCAL pilots based in ORD, DEN, IAD, LAX, SFO.

Less and less guys each bid will be moving into EWR. We had a big base there at one time, but many guys have moved to other bases and aren't going back. This is just the post-SLI adjustment, that appears to prolonged now that DEN is having bumps soon to be followed by guppy bumps in IAH.

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Originally Posted by XHooker

Regardless, I don't think you'll ever admit to the possibility the merger has been hard for pilots on both sides.

Hard for some. Neutral for others. Good for others as well.

If it hadn't taken 3 years from the merger date to get the SLI done, we would probably be done with this and everyone would be where they want.