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SpecialTracking 10-08-2014 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 1742341)
I believe that retrofit was purely cabin interiors; somewhere on the order of $10-million each.

There are rumors (including one published statement from a CP) that say the company is considering a cockpit retrofit. That would likely cost far more than that.

Will they? It would certainly be welcome, but as always, they won't do it unless they think it is cost-effective. And I think key to that cost-effectiveneess evaluation is:

1. How long are they going to fly them?

2. How many FAA-obstacles will there be to integrating the 756 and 76T fleets, given their differences in instrumentation as well as engines (and some systems)?

3. How much would it cost to buy a replacement 250-seat aircraft?

4. When do they need that lift, and how long would it take to get said replacement?

5. Would maintaining the new glass (and parts commonality) be cheaper than overhauling 30-year-old gauges?

Company statements that say some of the 757s and the 767-300s are "staying longer than previously planned" suggests that the need is now, and replacements (787?) aren't coming fast enough, especially given the time constraints of training, and the domino turmoil of bidding.

I think number two has pretty much been shown to be a myth. It appears no one can produce the FAA mandate that the 76T and 756 had to be split.

UAL T38 Phlyer 10-08-2014 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1742742)
I think number two has pretty much been shown to be a myth. It appears no one can produce the FAA mandate that the 76T and 756 had to be split.

I've heard the same, although I am frankly glad they are split. The "harmonized training' is as strikingly dischordant as Miley Cyrus without 'auto-tune.' I'm still trying to find my way around the cockpit---er, 'flight deck'---with two/three different layouts. It would be pretty chaotic if I had three more, plus two more engine types to remember how to start. :rolleyes:

WS01 10-08-2014 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by majkjohn (Post 1742733)
Actually, you need to be in the top 41%. Gonna make for a long month. I try to tell people that bid % on this fleet doesn't mean much.

and yet there are more vacancies on this last bid.. 27 filled I think..maybe they re gearing up for summer 2015 flying... why need 80 reserves for 70 or so lines??

Short Bus Drive 10-08-2014 08:03 PM

What is the blended rate for the 76T?
I know the 756, but can't seem to find it for the 76T...
What am I missing?

C-17 Driver 10-08-2014 09:41 PM


Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive (Post 1742870)
What is the blended rate for the 76T?
I know the 756, but can't seem to find it for the 76T...
What am I missing?

It's banded in so the blended rate is the same.

Short Bus Drive 10-08-2014 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by C-17 Driver (Post 1742908)
It's banded in so the blended rate is the same.

???

You don't fly the 767-400 on the 76T side, so how is it the same?
There is a formula in the contract based on percentage of the aircraft able to fly...

SpecialTracking 10-09-2014 02:51 AM


Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 1742818)
I've heard the same, although I am frankly glad they are split. The "harmonized training' is as strikingly dischordant as Miley Cyrus without 'auto-tune.' I'm still trying to find my way around the cockpit---er, 'flight deck'---with two/three different layouts. It would be pretty chaotic if I had three more, plus two more engine types to remember how to start. :rolleyes:

First, welcome back. I have heard the same comments you echoed about training. Unfortunately, the level of training is not an excuse for the powers to be to split the fleet.

The BAT is simply a money saver. While it has protected some in their domicile, it has stagnated many others due to lack of bids/laterals.

steve0617 10-09-2014 05:27 AM

Clarifying something please...

In CCS, if you're vacancy bidding and you just want into a new place/seat/fleet, regardless of where you'd be in relative seniority, you put 100% as your 'percent seniority,' correct?

APC225 10-09-2014 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by steve0617 (Post 1742984)
Clarifying something please...

In CCS, if you're vacancy bidding and you just want into a new place/seat/fleet, regardless of where you'd be in relative seniority, you put 100% as your 'percent seniority,' correct?

That is correct.

pilotgolfer 10-09-2014 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by steve0617 (Post 1742984)
Clarifying something please...

In CCS, if you're vacancy bidding and you just want into a new place/seat/fleet, regardless of where you'd be in relative seniority, you put 100% as your 'percent seniority,' correct?

yes...100% means you are willing to be at the bottom of the list.


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