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Lerxst 10-31-2014 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by Greg Bockelman (Post 1756480)
There ARE no LUAL 73's. Unless CAL bought some when we retired them 10 or so years ago.

Yes there are, 900 ERs tail no's 8## deliveries starting earlier this year were UCH orders specifically for LUA.

BMEP100 11-01-2014 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin (Post 1756320)
Also, apparently certain dispatchers/dispatcher are monitoring the fuel habits of commuters and reporting this to FODMs/Chief Pilots,

"fragmented" market,

Where did you get this idea? Don't worry, it's not paranoia if everyone is REALLY out to get you.

SpecialTracking 11-01-2014 05:04 AM

Just take their fuel and divert. Where you don't want their fuel is in the middle of nowhere with zero options.

Blockoutblockin 11-01-2014 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 1756716)
Where did you get this idea? Don't worry, it's not paranoia if everyone is REALLY out to get you.

The dispatcher in the class was bragging about it.

Airhoss 11-01-2014 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin (Post 1756723)
The dispatcher in the class was bragging about it.

Did you call your ALPA rep? This needs to be reported.

Blockoutblockin 11-01-2014 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1756728)
Did you call your ALPA rep? This needs to be reported.

Another guy in the class said he was going to report it

CousinEddie 11-01-2014 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1756211)
TOTALLY agree, and by "we" I meant United... not the pilots. The message to management at the standards meeting was loud and clear that the "policy plan" of 60 min REMF (assuming no ALT/CF) would be much easier to achieve if it started out from dispatch as a policy FP rather than expecting pilots to call and ask to lower the fuel. We were told that they too would be attending the OET class, which should help. All in all, I personally think that Sabre is a much better product than what we used to have. But this is one area where it is weak... having to run a whole new plan to add gas. I believe we were told there is a fix coming for that, but I could have been spacing out.

Finally, in no way shape or form do I advocate saving gas for management. Don't care a lick about them. There are many reasons I advocate being efficient; environmental, less powerful Middle Eastern nations, professional pride, profit sharing, leaving a more viable airline for those coming behind, wasting a finite resource, establishing a baseline of how we CAN run an airline so that in the future if we need to show how much we can effect efficiency we can and our value is more noticeable (wink wink C2017), proving to the bean counters the A320 IS efficient and should be kept around (already working and instead of a 2015 retirement the fleet is now looking at 2028), helping the bean counters see the mainline fleet can be efficient enough to warrant used narrow bodies instead of RJ's. None of those reasons involve me caring about helping Jeff look good. That's just collateral damage :)

Excellent post Bumped.

SpecialTracking 11-01-2014 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin (Post 1756905)
Another guy in the class said he was going to report it

More than one carries greater validity. Just sayin'

BMEP100 11-02-2014 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin (Post 1756723)
The dispatcher in the class was bragging about it.

That sounds pretty far fetched considering what would have to be programmed and updated whenever a pilot moves or changes status. Makes a nice conspiracy theory though.

I have heard this kind of thing many times over the years, pilots who add more fuel by base, pilots who fly faster by age, gender, geographic location, commuter status,etc.... What I have never heard in all those years is a pilot being disciplined for any of the rumored fuel, flight time, burn actions.

I think the dispatchers have more than enough on their plates as it is. I know a couple and will ask them next time I have occasion to speak with them.

BMEP100 11-02-2014 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin (Post 1756320)
Also, apparently it's okay for a dispatcher to pad, but if you want to pad, then you are not seeing the big picture,

Also, apparently certain dispatchers/dispatcher are monitoring the fuel habits of commuters and reporting this to FODMs/Chief Pilots,

Also, don't expect LAX to grow if not shrink as it is a "fragmented" market,

Wait, are you saying now that YOU have already been to the class and a certain dispatcher in the class you attended bragged about it, or someone else you know ( friend) who attended a class said that a dispatcher in his class said so and this other source also said another pilot in that class that your friend attended said he was going to report it.

Which class did you attend?
This "apparently" is very confusing.


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