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sailingfun 11-12-2014 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1762181)
Well don't tell most other companies the "have" to take you out cause it just isn't true.

It's a UCH decision to take you out while on any length of MLOA. Just like it's the companies decision to allow your family to non-rev while your on MLOA.

My company sent me an email after going from furlough to longterm MLOA status informing me that if they wanted to put me into CASS I needed some new fingerprints and copies of my current documents, which I complied with and they added me to CASS while on long term MLOA.

So please do not make excuses for UCH's treatment of long term MLOA (over 30 days) and try to make it sound as if they don't make a choice.
LUV

In order to legally Jumpseat regardless of CASS status you do need to be a active employee. If you are on mil leave in excess of 30 days you are no longer a active employee. Delta in the past allowed mil leave jumpseating however you had to occupy a cabin seat and could not ride in the cockpit. It's not about companies being vindictive it's a FAR.
I know lots of pilots will post they have jump seated on long term mil leave. To a certain extent it's like any other FAR. If you don't get caught no problem. Getting caught could be a big issue.

Lambourne 11-12-2014 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1762181)
Well don't tell most other companies the "have" to take you out cause it just isn't true.

It's a UCH decision to take you out while on any length of MLOA. Just like it's the companies decision to allow your family to non-rev while your on MLOA.

My company sent me an email after going from furlough to longterm MLOA status informing me that if they wanted to put me into CASS I needed some new fingerprints and copies of my current documents, which I complied with and they added me to CASS while on long term MLOA.

So please do not make excuses for UCH's treatment of long term MLOA (over 30 days) and try to make it sound as if they don't make a choice.
LUV

As far as I know they don't allow those pilots on personal leaves of abscence the ability to jumpseat. In the tradition of providing the same level of benefits to all it would make sense to remove long term mil leave also.

full of luv 11-12-2014 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 1762184)
As far as I know they don't allow those pilots on personal leaves of abscence the ability to jumpseat. In the tradition of providing the same level of benefits to all it would make sense to remove long term mil leave also.

Well no it wouldn't. A personal LOA is not involuntary, a MLOA is/can be. There are laws governing MLOA. PLOA is a company policy that can be changed at a whim. Just like UCH taking a long term MLOA out of CASS is their decision, not the FAA's or the other majors would be following suit.

As far as the FAR goes, it depends on your definition of active employee as MLOA get longevity, retirement contributions and their spot on the sli.

It's not a matter of getting "caught". Apparently Delta sees it differently and has determined that MLOA is active enough for CASS entry. I guess the FEDs have appreciated and condoned it as they have been recognized by USSERRA awards for more than a decade.

full of luv 11-12-2014 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1762183)
In order to legally Jumpseat regardless of CASS status you do need to be a active employee. If you are on mil leave in excess of 30 days you are no longer a active employee. Delta in the past allowed mil leave jumpseating however you had to occupy a cabin seat and could not ride in the cockpit. It's not about companies being vindictive it's a FAR.
I know lots of pilots will post they have jump seated on long term mil leave. To a certain extent it's like any other FAR. If you don't get caught no problem. Getting caught could be a big issue.

Sorry sailing, your wrong on this one. Still CASS on Delta (and others) after years of MLOA as long as you are current in ICREW with all your documentation, including a physical and current passport.

sailingfun 11-12-2014 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1762203)
Sorry sailing, your wrong on this one. Still CASS on Delta (and others) after years of MLOA as long as you are current in ICREW with all your documentation, including a physical and current passport.

It's really simple. The FAR requires you to be a current and active employee. It has nothing to do with CASS or mil leave law. I took this up to try and get it changed a long time ago when I was in the reserves. No luck. If you are active duty military they are your employer not the airline you worked for before going on leave. Talk to your Jumpseat guys and have them run it by the FAA. You won't like the answer.

Lambourne 11-12-2014 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1762202)
Well no it wouldn't. A personal LOA is not involuntary, a MLOA is/can be. There are laws governing MLOA. PLOA is a company policy that can be changed at a whim. Just like UCH taking a long term MLOA out of CASS is their decision, not the FAA's or the other majors would be following suit.

Staying in the reserves/guard after employment is not required by UA. That is a personal choice of a pilot to continue after leaving active duty. Those pilots usually are trying to get to the retirement number for their own personal benefit.

Personally I don't think these that are on MLOA should be treated differently from a PLOA because both are doing it for their OWN purposes.

I am not opposed to a MLOA pilot getting jumpseats it would just be best if it was granted to ALL LOA pilots. Also, a LOA pilot of any type should be boarded after all other jumpseaters.

Probe 11-12-2014 10:34 PM

Being "opposed" or "in favor", I don't really care. I believe that the FAA requires that we be an active employee to JS in the cockpit. It is also sort of a self-policing rule, and if we are caught abusing it, we might all lose the privilege.

LostInAsia 11-15-2014 08:12 AM

I spoke with the MIL affairs committee and we are able to jumpseat on and offline while on MIL leave. Also, there is a copy of a letter on the ALPA MEC website with specific approval from the POI for pilots on MIL leave to occupy the jumpseat if you are concerned about the legality of it.

full of luv 11-15-2014 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by LostInAsia (Post 1764377)
I spoke with the MIL affairs committee and we are able to jumpseat on and offline while on MIL leave. Also, there is a copy of a letter on the ALPA MEC website with specific approval from the POI for pilots on MIL leave to occupy the jumpseat if you are concerned about the legality of it.

Lost,
Don't try and confuse this situation with facts. Group think is in effect on this thread, and I emphasize the word, "think".

sailingfun 11-16-2014 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by LostInAsia (Post 1764377)
I spoke with the MIL affairs committee and we are able to jumpseat on and offline while on MIL leave. Also, there is a copy of a letter on the ALPA MEC website with specific approval from the POI for pilots on MIL leave to occupy the jumpseat if you are concerned about the legality of it.

Here is how it was explained to me. I would love to see the letter and a link would be great. Under 30 days of mil leave you're fine, over 30 days and technically you're not a employee of the airline. You now work for the government. Your health care stops and you should actually be required to turn in your airline I'd. Everything shifts to the government at that point. I know in practice at all but one airline I am aware of that does not happen however TSA is cracking down on ID's.
Again a link to the letter would be great. Would be nice to carry a copy if you are correct.


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