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Scrappy 11-16-2014 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by LostInAsia (Post 1764377)
I spoke with the MIL affairs committee and we are able to jumpseat on and offline while on MIL leave. Also, there is a copy of a letter on the ALPA MEC website with specific approval from the POI for pilots on MIL leave to occupy the jumpseat if you are concerned about the legality of it.

Just fyi...I was not able to occupy the cockpit with AA the other day trying to Js. I'm over 30 days of mil leave. I was allowed to occupy the cabin but was not able to get on (cabin full, cockpit Js went empty). Called a mil Union rep with UAL and he said that is prob valid. > 30 days mil leave cannot occupy cockpit.

reCALcitrant 11-16-2014 09:29 AM

Sounds Jerry everybody is consistent. Sarcasm.

full of luv 11-16-2014 09:43 AM

Sailing,
I thought you were delta, no? At delta on long term mil delta Renewed my id three different times.

Your info is completely wrong for delta (realize this is Ual thread with Ual policy) but afraid you will misinform delta pilots who have been in cass as long term mloa for years.

My point is Ual should conform to allow js access to our service members if so otherwise qualified as crew.

Lambourne 11-16-2014 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1764802)
Sailing,
I thought you were delta, no? At delta on long term mil delta Renewed my id three different times.

Your info is completely wrong for delta (realize this is Ual thread with Ual policy) but afraid you will misinform delta pilots who have been in cass as long term mloa for years.

My point is Ual should conform to allow js access to our service members if so otherwise qualified as crew.

Why should a MIL leave pilot potentially block a working pilot from jumpseating? Gone more than 30 days should get you locked out of jumpseating. The miltary should be responsibile for your travel needs if you are out more than 30 days.

If you aren't a UA pilot why do you care what our policy is on this matter? Should we ask your opinion on how we drop trips, reimburse dry cleaning etc.

USERRA is a great benefit. However, it shouldn't entitle you to a benefit greater than those that others receive.

full of luv 11-16-2014 12:30 PM

Well I originally commented to let y'all know it's a Ual policy to de-cass you not FAA as some espouse here.

Personally your right I don't care what uch does with it's policies and the word spreads fast throughout the mil on the different treatment of reserves. I hope Ual asks for paper orders for all mil leave just to throw that additional burden on their pilots.
When that mil pilot has to choose who to work for it may just help him make a decision one way or another.

I know you think all loas are the same but when the next conflict calls for a mobilization and the members family gets left behind ill welcome them on my js to go home to/from their mil duties at delta, even after 30 days.

Btw your js policy decides whom gets the seat so put mil guys at end if that's your fear.

As stated I have no influence on Ual policy but only refute those who apologize for Ual policy by blaming far's.
Fly safe

svergin 11-16-2014 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 1764858)
Why should a MIL leave pilot potentially block a working pilot from jumpseating? Gone more than 30 days should get you locked out of jumpseating. The miltary should be responsibile for your travel needs if you are out more than 30 days.

USERRA is a great benefit. However, it shouldn't entitle you to a benefit greater than those that others receive.

Or at least pilots going to/from work should have priority over pilots traveling for pleasure because they can't get a seat in the back on a full flight. That would make it better.

full of luv 11-17-2014 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 1764858)
USERRA is a great benefit. However, it shouldn't entitle you to a benefit greater than those that others receive.

How would you have a military reserve without USERRA?

Do you want twice as large of standing force? The "benefits" you speak of, should we just have it so if you make your skills available for the military (ones that you probably received on active duty) that your company can just fire you?

Shockingly... there are companies who just won't hire you if you are in the military reserves. That is their choice but the airlines have decided that the free training and employee that they get from the military is worth the "benefits" you speak of.


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