Deny NAI Again
11-15-2014, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
I just attended our local Council meeting, and our legislative chair was there. Unofficially they said that the NAI deal is already done and approved. Say good bye to your job. The Chinese at $10/hr are coming next.
Not that I'm for NAI, but if you are going to make arguments for or against something at least know what you are talking about. That kind of fear mongering rhetoric just doesn't do much when making debate points to intelligent people who actually make these kind of decisions.
Our client is one of the principal Airlines in China, and this is lucrative positions for top professionals.
Hainan Airline's 2014 new contract will be released very soon, this new contract will be an improvement on the following basic T&Cs.
This contract can offers:
Generous pay and benefits package up to US$21,500 monthly earning plus overtime on top
5 different roster pattern to choose from
Generous contract renewal bonus up to $20000
Paid annual leave and sick leave
Free international tickets and ID travel
Fantastic Medical insurance and schooling allowance for two children
Hainan Airline's 2014 new contract will be released very soon, this new contract will be an improvement on the following basic T&Cs.
This contract can offers:
Generous pay and benefits package up to US$21,500 monthly earning plus overtime on top
5 different roster pattern to choose from
Generous contract renewal bonus up to $20000
Paid annual leave and sick leave
Free international tickets and ID travel
Fantastic Medical insurance and schooling allowance for two children
That's a bit more than $10/hour
Typhoonpilot
11-15-2014, 06:08 PM
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I'm not too up on the NAI situation, so pardon the potential ignorance, but what would the main difference be between Norwegian Air Shuttle, which already serves the US and NAI? Where they recruit their labor groups?
11-15-2014, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex14
I'm not too up on the NAI situation, so pardon the potential ignorance, but what would the main difference be between Norwegian Air Shuttle, which already serves the US and NAI? Where they recruit their labor groups?
So they could incorporate in Ireland, have revenue generated in Switzerland, have labor based in Vietnam, and still have FAA certification to fly domestic routes. Something like that.
11-15-2014, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bedrock
As I understand it, it allows them to do what all multinationals are doing--shop for countries that give them the cheapest deal.
So they could incorporate in Ireland, have revenue generated in Switzerland, have labor based in Vietnam, and still have FAA certification to fly domestic routes. Something like that.
So they could incorporate in Ireland, have revenue generated in Switzerland, have labor based in Vietnam, and still have FAA certification to fly domestic routes. Something like that.
Kind of like American that has South American based flight attendants on 1/3 the pay of the U.S. based flight attendants. Oh, and United that has Asian based flight attendants on lesser terms than U.S. based flight attendants.
Then there is the whole Narita hub for both DAL and UAL. So that is kind of like "revenue generated in Switzerland", isn't it.
Again, when you debate against this get some facts straight so that you don't look like fools.
Is NAI a threat? Sure it is, but the fear mongering simplistic arguments that are being made against it by the pilots in the USA are not going to sway lawmakers. ALPA has done a slightly better job than what I read on here, but they're still coming up short on valid reasons to deny NAI.
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11-16-2014, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
.....but they're still coming up short on valid reasons to deny NAI.TP
Chinese labor at $10/hr is just a start. You think future conditions and contracts will be anything like today if this passes? Talking about facts at this point is useless as there are no facts, just speculation. Get your head out of the hole in the sand, and take a look around.
All you have to do is look at he maritime industry to have a pretty good idea on what the facts might be.
11-16-2014, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Uhhh....Valid reasons?
All you have to do is look at he maritime industry to have a pretty good idea on what the facts might be.
All you have to do is look at he maritime industry to have a pretty good idea on what the facts might be.
11-16-2014, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
Kind of like American that has South American based flight attendants on 1/3 the pay of the U.S. based flight attendants. Oh, and United that has Asian based flight attendants on lesser terms than U.S. based flight attendants.
Then there is the whole Narita hub for both DAL and UAL. So that is kind of like "revenue generated in Switzerland", isn't it.
Again, when you debate against this get some facts straight so that you don't look like fools.
Is NAI a threat? Sure it is, but the fear mongering simplistic arguments that are being made against it by the pilots in the USA are not going to sway lawmakers. ALPA has done a slightly better job than what I read on here, but they're still coming up short on valid reasons to deny NAI.
TP
Then there is the whole Narita hub for both DAL and UAL. So that is kind of like "revenue generated in Switzerland", isn't it.
Again, when you debate against this get some facts straight so that you don't look like fools.
Is NAI a threat? Sure it is, but the fear mongering simplistic arguments that are being made against it by the pilots in the USA are not going to sway lawmakers. ALPA has done a slightly better job than what I read on here, but they're still coming up short on valid reasons to deny NAI.
TP
11-16-2014, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
Kind of like American that has South American based flight attendants on 1/3 the pay of the U.S. based flight attendants. Oh, and United that has Asian based flight attendants on lesser terms than U.S. based flight attendants.
Then there is the whole Narita hub for both DAL and UAL. So that is kind of like "revenue generated in Switzerland", isn't it.
Again, when you debate against this get some facts straight so that you don't look like fools.
Is NAI a threat? Sure it is, but the fear mongering simplistic arguments that are being made against it by the pilots in the USA are not going to sway lawmakers. ALPA has done a slightly better job than what I read on here, but they're still coming up short on valid reasons to deny NAI.
TP
Then there is the whole Narita hub for both DAL and UAL. So that is kind of like "revenue generated in Switzerland", isn't it.
Again, when you debate against this get some facts straight so that you don't look like fools.
Is NAI a threat? Sure it is, but the fear mongering simplistic arguments that are being made against it by the pilots in the USA are not going to sway lawmakers. ALPA has done a slightly better job than what I read on here, but they're still coming up short on valid reasons to deny NAI.
TP
Just Google "maritime industry flag of convenience". See what can happen.
11-16-2014, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by sleeves
Umm no. This is not just a base in a foreign land. This is shopping the world to bypass laws, taxes and labor. Educate yourself.
What State are UAL and DAL incorporated in and do they have mainline, or any, service there?
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