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12-03-2014, 04:59 PM
#111
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Originally Posted by sleeves
just like the Cal guy that is sure his conspiracy is the truth. Fact is the Jets were parked, and the SLI is over.
Anybody who paid any attention to the hearings realized that the 1 for 1 pipe dream 4,700 pilot airline with the 7.600 pilot airline wasn't going to happen.
How is a merger that looks almost like every other merger a "conspiracy".
12-03-2014, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmako
Sepda,
Back up a bit. Without the pre merger collusion of UAL/CAL the guppy fleet would have never been parked. 104 airplanes. That's where the jobs were.
That's why there were unemployed pilots. Connect the dots.
Back up a bit. Without the pre merger collusion of UAL/CAL the guppy fleet would have never been parked. 104 airplanes. That's where the jobs were.
That's why there were unemployed pilots. Connect the dots.
Originally Posted by pilot64golfer
I don't get why the big deal about the parked jets.
How is a merger that looks almost like every other merger a "conspiracy".
How is a merger that looks almost like every other merger a "conspiracy".
12-03-2014, 05:59 PM
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Because Sepda dilated his sphincter and let this effluent spew forth...
<<"So tell me, just how was a non merged L-UAL going to add upwards of 750 pilot jobs in the period Dec '10 to Sep '13 without CAL???? The point is CAL brought those jobs, and UAL folks brought the unemployed pilots ... it's very simple ... If they were your jobs & your seats, then you would be in them ... End of story. And before you start the preaching, I don't condone the company playing one group against the other ... you guys love to hide behind the merger policy change "longevity grab" ... well the same policy dictated JCBA then SLI ... that's how we got here...">>
That's how I got here. I've stayed out of most of the SLI disputation but every so often someone hacks up some fetid tripe and I'm compelled to do likewise to deflect the disinformation.
The company is playing fast and loose with the lousy contract and yet its still Black V Blue around here. I'm looking forward to this crap being in the rearview and tossing barbs over the next contract instead.
<<"So tell me, just how was a non merged L-UAL going to add upwards of 750 pilot jobs in the period Dec '10 to Sep '13 without CAL???? The point is CAL brought those jobs, and UAL folks brought the unemployed pilots ... it's very simple ... If they were your jobs & your seats, then you would be in them ... End of story. And before you start the preaching, I don't condone the company playing one group against the other ... you guys love to hide behind the merger policy change "longevity grab" ... well the same policy dictated JCBA then SLI ... that's how we got here...">>
That's how I got here. I've stayed out of most of the SLI disputation but every so often someone hacks up some fetid tripe and I'm compelled to do likewise to deflect the disinformation.
The company is playing fast and loose with the lousy contract and yet its still Black V Blue around here. I'm looking forward to this crap being in the rearview and tossing barbs over the next contract instead.
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12-04-2014, 09:03 AM
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So tell me, just how was a non merged L-UAL going to add upwards of 750 pilot jobs in the period Dec '10 to Sep '13 without CAL???? The point is CAL brought those jobs, and UAL folks brought the unemployed pilots ... it's very simple ...
That wasn't CAL magically growing in SFO, LAX, DEN and ORD right out of a furlough and of their own merits, with a net growth of 0 airframes, it was United management pulling a fast one on the DoJ to get approval at the Status & Category expense of the UAL pilot group.
So every UAL pilot below Mid-Body Captain took a S&C hit with the loss of 800 S&C captains and 800 S&C FOs right before the merger. Which is why our 1998 hires, some of which were never furloughed, are paired with 2005 hires and are not happy with it.
I know there were guys frothing at the mouth to staple those furloughed pilots, but it didn't happen and the arbitrators "got it".
I've never seen so many people so upset that their staple screw job didn't work because of the union merger policy actually credited longevity, that they refuse to wear their ALPA pins in protest.
12-04-2014, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pilot64golfer
It is very simple. UAL had to become smaller to get DoJ merger approval. They tried in 2008 with CAL but guess what, too big.
That wasn't CAL magically growing in SFO, LAX, DEN and ORD right out of a furlough and of their own merits, with a net growth of 0 airframes, it was United management pulling a fast one on the DoJ to get approval at the Status & Category expense of the UAL pilot group.
So every UAL pilot below Mid-Body Captain took a S&C hit with the loss of 800 S&C captains and 800 S&C FOs right before the merger. Which is why our 1998 hires, some of which were never furloughed, are paired with 2005 hires and are not happy with it.
I know there were guys frothing at the mouth to staple those furloughed pilots, but it didn't happen and the arbitrators "got it".
I've never seen so many people so upset that their staple screw job didn't work because of the union merger policy actually credited longevity, that they refuse to wear their ALPA pins in protest.
That wasn't CAL magically growing in SFO, LAX, DEN and ORD right out of a furlough and of their own merits, with a net growth of 0 airframes, it was United management pulling a fast one on the DoJ to get approval at the Status & Category expense of the UAL pilot group.
So every UAL pilot below Mid-Body Captain took a S&C hit with the loss of 800 S&C captains and 800 S&C FOs right before the merger. Which is why our 1998 hires, some of which were never furloughed, are paired with 2005 hires and are not happy with it.
I know there were guys frothing at the mouth to staple those furloughed pilots, but it didn't happen and the arbitrators "got it".
I've never seen so many people so upset that their staple screw job didn't work because of the union merger policy actually credited longevity, that they refuse to wear their ALPA pins in protest.
So....did Delta have to shrink to merge with Northwest or vice versa??? nope....
Did AA have to shrink to merge with USAir????? nope...
but now the fantasy is that United had to shrink in order to merge....ahh ok....
Somehow those same dudes that had no idea of how to run a profitable airline knew exactly what the DOJ wanted to make a merger work....
UAL was losing a bunch of money with a bunch of old airplanes...that's why Continental wanted no part of that fiasco back in 2008 and once UAL took a shower and cleaned up a little it made sense to take the dame dancing....that simple.
12-04-2014, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Kilder
Really???? It amazes me the degree of fantasy that some of you come up with.
So....did Delta have to shrink to merge with Northwest or vice versa??? nope....
Did AA have to shrink to merge with USAir????? nope...
but now the fantasy is that United had to shrink in order to merge....ahh ok....
Somehow those same dudes that had no idea of how to run a profitable airline knew exactly what the DOJ wanted to make a merger work....
UAL was losing a bunch of money with a bunch of old airplanes...that's why Continental wanted no part of that fiasco back in 2008 and once UAL took a shower and cleaned up a little it made sense to take the dame dancing....that simple.
So....did Delta have to shrink to merge with Northwest or vice versa??? nope....
Did AA have to shrink to merge with USAir????? nope...
but now the fantasy is that United had to shrink in order to merge....ahh ok....
Somehow those same dudes that had no idea of how to run a profitable airline knew exactly what the DOJ wanted to make a merger work....
UAL was losing a bunch of money with a bunch of old airplanes...that's why Continental wanted no part of that fiasco back in 2008 and once UAL took a shower and cleaned up a little it made sense to take the dame dancing....that simple.
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