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XHooker 06-01-2015 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Regularguy (Post 1892554)
I think what's really amazing is how stupid the managers are for falling for that chart as a sales pitch.

But not as amazing as pilots thinking they know the right fleet mix based on a fraction of the information those managers have.

Jaded N Cynical 06-01-2015 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by XHooker (Post 1893247)
But not as amazing as pilots thinking they know the right fleet mix based on a fraction of the information those managers have.

Exactly. My favorite argument for one airplane vs. another....." it's more comfortable cockpit"....or some other pilot favored aspect. This is business. I'm all for the airplane if it makes the company money.....(and MANY airlines seem to think it does)....the 737 is the right fit. You want comforts, sit at home.

I have to laugh at the guys who bid to fly it..........then complain about it. You have to be a real pilot to appreciate the 737. Weak pilots are not comfortable with "nuances" of the airplane. I see them squirm when they have to approach a short runway at 160 kts.

flightmedic01 06-01-2015 02:07 PM

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XHooker 06-01-2015 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by flightmedic01 (Post 1893441)
I just couldn't hold back anymore!

I used to say I just had a vote, but not necessarily final authority over the flight controls in the F-18, my first FBW airplane.

Probe 06-01-2015 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by XHooker (Post 1893247)
But not as amazing as pilots thinking they know the right fleet mix based on a fraction of the information those managers have.

Are you talking about the managers that decided to fly a 900ER to Mauii, or the ones that decided regular fuel stops coming back across the Atlantic was Ops Normal in s 757? Or the ones that decided it was better to close the 400 base in ORD, only to reopen it 6 months later?

I would complain less about the 737 if Boeing would, after building 8000+ of them, figure out how to make a toilet seat stay up.

ron kent 06-01-2015 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1893514)
Are you talking about the managers that decided to fly a 900ER to Mauii, or the ones that decided regular fuel stops coming back across the Atlantic was Ops Normal in s 757? Or the ones that decided it was better to close the 400 base in ORD, only to reopen it 6 months later?

I would complain less about the 737 if Boeing would, after building 8000+ of them, figure out how to make a toilet seat stay up.

I figure the engineer on that seat must have been female...

XHooker 06-01-2015 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1893514)
Are you talking about the managers that decided to fly a 900ER to Mauii, or the ones that decided regular fuel stops coming back across the Atlantic was Ops Normal in s 757? Or the ones that decided it was better to close the 400 base in ORD, only to reopen it 6 months later?

Legitimate points about our management's competence or lack thereof. The fact remains our closest competitors, DAL and AAL, both have significant numbers of 737s on order. There's no anti-Airbus conspiracy, it's for financial reasons. Most of the shots taken at the 737 here are at least partially valid, but economics rule the day.


I would complain less about the 737 if Boeing would, after building 8000+ of them, figure out how to make a toilet seat stay up.
I'm told the real reason for the delay in the 787 program was Boeing had most of their engineers working on that very problem.

oldmako 06-01-2015 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1893514)
Are you talking about the managers that decided to fly a 900ER to Mauii, or the ones that decided regular fuel stops coming back across the Atlantic was Ops Normal in s 757? Or the ones that decided it was better to close the 400 base in ORD, only to reopen it 6 months later?

I would complain less about the 737 if Boeing would, after building 8000+ of them, figure out how to make a toilet seat stay up.

I wondered who was going to swing at that softball. Nicely done. You could have gone on for half a page. I admire your brevity and tact.

oldmako 06-01-2015 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by Jaded N Cynical (Post 1893419)
...You have to be a real pilot to appreciate the 737. Weak pilots are not comfortable with "nuances" of the airplane. I see them squirm when they have to approach a short runway at 160 kts.

Yes of course. That's it! Its all about testosterone and ability.

Probe 06-01-2015 09:30 PM

Like I said before, if they gave me enough days off and paid me enough, I would fly a C150 forever.

I would, however, still complain. I am a pilot.

After flying the uber Guppy for two years, after the bus for over 7, I will say the NG is more reliable, and/or the CAL side maintains them to an exceptional level. They just don't seem to break.

In my mind, the toilet seat issue overrides the reliability. While the bean counters look to financials, I just like to be able to pee standing up without worrying about something coming crashing down on my private parts. Maybe I should start trimming the aircraft 5 degrees left wing down before I go back for a break........

That is just me.


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