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Well gosh, I guess I better get my stuff in. Sounds like the AA operation is a lot better! Thanks for the info! I'll make sure to stay tuned.

Operations at AA are probably better. There is more to an "operation" than a pilot contract; conceding that United's contract in better than AA's.

AA has better on time performance and better financial performance.

Ignore the facts if you want, they wont change.

The true test is going to be the operational merger of reservations systems, etc etc. THEN we will get a real comparison to where things stand. I'm sure they will beat the stuffing out of our team, but they haven't taken any of the expensive and complicated steps as of yet.

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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 1812686)

AMR posted record profits, and we make $28 million in the 4th quarter?

Tuesday, January 27, 2015

Special Jetwire

American Airlines Group Reports Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2014 Profit

Today, American reported record 2014 net income of $4.2 billion, excluding net special charges, or $5.70 per diluted share. This is a 115 percent improvement over the Company’s 2013 net income of $1.9 billion, excluding net special charges. For the fourth quarter of 2014, we reported record net income of $1.1 billion, excluding net special charges, or $1.52 per diluted share. This is a $668 million, or a 153 percent improvement, over our fourth quarter 2013 net income of $436 million, excluding net special charges. The 2013 results above include American and US Airways on a non-GAAP combined basis.
“Our record 2014 results close out a fantastic first year for our merger. These results would not have been possible without the efforts of our more than 100,000 team members,” said Chairman and CEO Doug Parker. “You have done a great job of working together to take care of our customers and restore American as the greatest airline in the world.
“We have much to do in the year ahead as we continue to integrate two large carriers. The results we have achieved thus far, combined with our economic outlook, give us confidence that 2015 will be another outstanding year for American Airlines.”
Each quarter we put together a financial recap – or Earnings Illustrated – to help explain the Company’s income statement. Check out the 2014 full year financial recap for more details on our fourth quarter and full year results. And take a look at the news release in American’s Newsroom that has more information on key accomplishments in 2014.

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#1: AMR and USAir pilots are not enjoying the pay and benefits of UPA 2012! AMR and USAir combined is a bit bigger then UAL in employees staffing; Compare their expenses to ours:
AMR: Salaries, wages and benefits: $2,089(millions) http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...R5cGU9MQ==&t=1

UAL Salaries, wages and benefits: $2,251 (millions) http://ir.unitedcontinentalholdings....MGxcns/lStdg==

#2: United loses on hedged fuel; Cash received (paid) on settled hedges that did not qualify for hedge accounting (b) $(151) (negative in millions)

Let us wait and see how AMR and USAir will do after they signed new CBA and start revitalizing their fleets ;-|

Pilots at UAL complain about the size of their profit sharing check and then come on here and tell the world how horrible that UAL is. They post threads with titles like this and everyone chimes in.

Have you guys looked at AMR's thread about their "Banner year?" They don't sound too happy over there either. They seem to be just as upset with their airline as you guys sound to be here. I know the negativity will never stop at any airline, but Im really tired of the grass is always greener threads.

Happy to be here, there are a lot of places that I've been that are way worse and I have friends that are in a lot worse places than United. Enjoy life.

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Originally Posted by KiloAlpha (Post 1812926)

United 320 burns the same gas a AA 320 burns. Seems like a wash to me.

American isn't hedging any fuel. They have been paying market price. A risky move of they part that is paying off now.

So yes, it burns the same amount of fuel, but no, it is not a wash. Fifi costs more to operate at United.

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Originally Posted by Contrail06 (Post 1812990)

Happy to be here, there are a lot of places that I've been that are way worse and I have friends that are in a lot worse places than United. Enjoy life.

Lemme guess... Turkish Prison?

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Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1812732)

Who cares how much we made at AAL? Y'all's current contract is much better than this turd we are voting on and you will continue to make more $$ than us.

And, from the "Tea Leaves" on the internet it looks like the "turd" will pass and to me it's a blatant attempt to undercut us and Delta. Gotta love pilots :rolleyes:

Between this place and the other board it is clear a career at UAL is a foolish endeavor. All those that try it are clear individuals lacking the basic aptitude that reveals UAL sucks.

Btw, I love ignoring guys that blather on like the thread originator. After 10 mins they usually shut up. Sorry dude, I understand our current problems, but moaning about it for 3 hrs doesn't change the fact that the BOD isn't changing things. I happen to have better things to think of in life . Worse case scenario is when they switch to dissertations on NRA and Obama related issues. "Interesting insight, btw I'm having dinner with an old buddy (imaginary friend) once we get to the layover." *slam click*

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Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 1813063)

And, from the "Tea Leaves" on the internet it looks like the "turd" will pass and to me it's a blatant attempt to undercut us and Delta. Gotta love pilots :rolleyes:

Not following ya. Either way we undercut you - via voting yes or no. We have cost neutral arbitration with a no vote that will result in 1.7 billion less than the TA over the course of it. Not to mention no min calendar day, no profit sharing, 321 pay is same as 319, crappier LTD, excise tax on health care in a few years most likely, and much, much more as the list of substandard work rules. So yes, we are in line to undercut you whether we pass this or not.