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aileronjam 02-26-2015 04:43 PM

Let's make something out of nothing...
 
United Airlines sends stern memo to pilots outlining flight errors | abc7chicago.com

awax 02-26-2015 06:16 PM

Yeah that stores is so off base, everyone knows that United has the finest training in the industry. No shortcuts there!

oldmako 02-26-2015 06:41 PM

Once upon a time, in a galaxy far far away, a bright light was shone upon the "training by memo" farce. It was summarily dismissed by many. Sadly, it was dismissed by many of the dudes and dudettes who were to become the recipients of the memos, and also by their leadership. It now appears that some of the chickens are beginning to circle the roost.

(Insert furrowed brows and hand wringing here)

Training, you tend to get what you don't pay for.

rp2pilot 02-26-2015 06:43 PM

Why is this even a story when the better one is that Southwest had to ground 128 jets this week for missed inspections? Mind boggling.

Smokey23 02-26-2015 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by rp2pilot (Post 1832913)
Why is this even a story when the better one is that Southwest had to ground 128 jets this week for missed inspections? Mind boggling.

The SWA grounding thread is already 3 pages and counting.

4th Level 02-26-2015 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by rp2pilot (Post 1832913)
Why is this even a story when the better one is that Southwest had to ground 128 jets this week for missed inspections? Mind boggling.


For an inspection that was;

1. Not required, but done by SWA nonetheless.

2. Two of three items were completed on this unrequired inspection.

3. Because the third was not, SWA self-disclosed and grounded the a/c.

4. The FAA looked at the incompleteness of the un-required inspections (get it?) and said "Meh, fly 'em until you get it done".

All of it making headlines. I believe THAT is mind boggling.:cool:

rp2pilot 02-26-2015 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by 4th Level (Post 1832950)
For an inspection that was;

1. Not required, but done by SWA nonetheless.

2. Two of three items were completed on this unrequired inspection.

3. Because the third was not, SWA self-disclosed and grounded the a/c.

4. The FAA looked at the incompleteness of the un-required inspections (get it?) and said "Meh, fly 'em until you get it done".

All of it making headlines. I believe THAT is mind boggling.:cool:

What is there to self disclose on a non mandatory event? That's like someone self disclosing to the police that they DIDN'T steal a car.

4th Level 02-26-2015 11:33 PM


Originally Posted by rp2pilot (Post 1832970)
What is there to self disclose on a non mandatory event? That's like someone self disclosing to the police that they DIDN'T steal a car.

Because - and try to keep up here - SWA chose to complete a non-required mx item. When it wasn't done fully (when they indicated it would be) they self-disclosed.

Media gets ahold of it and = **** storm.

Can you believe the MEDIA would embellish something like this?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

BMEP100 02-27-2015 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by 4th Level (Post 1832995)
Because - and try to keep up here - SWA chose to complete a non-required mx item. When it wasn't done fully (when they indicated it would be) they self-disclosed.

Media gets ahold of it and = **** storm.

Can you believe the MEDIA would embellish something like this?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I can see more headlines in the future for United with our "new" new normal checklists. On the 756, the FO has to recite all kinds of stuff on the before takeoff that is set on the MCP, and some that is not- such as the name of the SID- however only one pilot now confirms the flap and landing gear configurations.

So much for cross checking and verify on the really important stuff. Another DENTK *&(%(*^

flyboycpa 02-27-2015 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 1833059)
I can see more headlines in the future for United with our "new" new normal checklists. On the 756, the FO has to recite all kinds of stuff on the before takeoff that is set on the MCP, and some that is not- such as the name of the SID- however only one pilot now confirms the flap and landing gear configurations.

So much for cross checking and verify on the really important stuff. Another DENTK *&(%(*^

Yeah, this is the most ridiculous iteration of our checklist, to date. I'm not sure what the pilot briefing is for if you're going to recite all that shizzle just before takeoff. I do appreciate them getting rid of that phase-line in the Before Push checklist, though.


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