Commuter policy and PS
03-19-2015, 08:04 AM
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Commuter policy and PS
Situation came up for my wife's commuting this week.
Based on what I've read here, you give yourself one primary commuting flight and one backup. If you can't get on the first one, you call the crew desk and they'll PS you on the 2nd. No harm, no foul. Don't use it often since it'll draw attention to yourself, but it's there if you need it. Or maybe it was the two flights then call the crew desk.
However, wife was told by a captain on a previous trip that if the crew desk has reserve coverage in the domicile you're commuting to, that they won't necessarily give you the PS - they can pull the trip from you saving the PS revenue loss and give it to a reserve, taking the $ out of your month.
We didn't find anything in the contract either way spelling this out (granted, we didn't search for everything outside of commute policy of 'you don't show up - you don't get paid).
In the previous threads I've read here about 'should I bid for this domicile or that since I'm commuting anyway?' nobody has commented about the crew desk possibly yanking your line trip if they have reserve coverage where you're going.
Based on what I've read here, you give yourself one primary commuting flight and one backup. If you can't get on the first one, you call the crew desk and they'll PS you on the 2nd. No harm, no foul. Don't use it often since it'll draw attention to yourself, but it's there if you need it. Or maybe it was the two flights then call the crew desk.
However, wife was told by a captain on a previous trip that if the crew desk has reserve coverage in the domicile you're commuting to, that they won't necessarily give you the PS - they can pull the trip from you saving the PS revenue loss and give it to a reserve, taking the $ out of your month.
We didn't find anything in the contract either way spelling this out (granted, we didn't search for everything outside of commute policy of 'you don't show up - you don't get paid).
In the previous threads I've read here about 'should I bid for this domicile or that since I'm commuting anyway?' nobody has commented about the crew desk possibly yanking your line trip if they have reserve coverage where you're going.
03-19-2015, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by steve0617
Situation came up for my wife's commuting this week.
Based on what I've read here, you give yourself one primary commuting flight and one backup. If you can't get on the first one, you call the crew desk and they'll PS you on the 2nd. No harm, no foul. Don't use it often since it'll draw attention to yourself, but it's there if you need it. Or maybe it was the two flights then call the crew desk.
However, wife was told by a captain on a previous trip that if the crew desk has reserve coverage if the domicile you're commuting to, that they won't necessarily give your the PS - they can pull the trip from you saving the PS revenue loss and give it to a reserve, taking the $ out of your month.
We didn't find anything in the contract either way spelling this out (granted, we didn't search for everything outside of commute policy of 'you don't show up - you don't' get paid).
In the previous threads I've read here about 'should I bid for this domicile or that since I'm commuting anyway?' nobody has commented about the crew desk possibly yanking your line trip if they have reserve coverage where you're going.
Based on what I've read here, you give yourself one primary commuting flight and one backup. If you can't get on the first one, you call the crew desk and they'll PS you on the 2nd. No harm, no foul. Don't use it often since it'll draw attention to yourself, but it's there if you need it. Or maybe it was the two flights then call the crew desk.
However, wife was told by a captain on a previous trip that if the crew desk has reserve coverage if the domicile you're commuting to, that they won't necessarily give your the PS - they can pull the trip from you saving the PS revenue loss and give it to a reserve, taking the $ out of your month.
We didn't find anything in the contract either way spelling this out (granted, we didn't search for everything outside of commute policy of 'you don't show up - you don't' get paid).
In the previous threads I've read here about 'should I bid for this domicile or that since I'm commuting anyway?' nobody has commented about the crew desk possibly yanking your line trip if they have reserve coverage where you're going.
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03-19-2015, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by steve0617
Situation came up for my wife's commuting this week.
Based on what I've read here, you give yourself one primary commuting flight and one backup. If you can't get on the first one, you call the crew desk and they'll PS you on the 2nd. No harm, no foul. Don't use it often since it'll draw attention to yourself, but it's there if you need it. Or maybe it was the two flights then call the crew desk.
However, wife was told by a captain on a previous trip that if the crew desk has reserve coverage in the domicile you're commuting to, that they won't necessarily give you the PS - they can pull the trip from you saving the PS revenue loss and give it to a reserve, taking the $ out of your month.
We didn't find anything in the contract either way spelling this out (granted, we didn't search for everything outside of commute policy of 'you don't show up - you don't get paid).
In the previous threads I've read here about 'should I bid for this domicile or that since I'm commuting anyway?' nobody has commented about the crew desk possibly yanking your line trip if they have reserve coverage where you're going.
Based on what I've read here, you give yourself one primary commuting flight and one backup. If you can't get on the first one, you call the crew desk and they'll PS you on the 2nd. No harm, no foul. Don't use it often since it'll draw attention to yourself, but it's there if you need it. Or maybe it was the two flights then call the crew desk.
However, wife was told by a captain on a previous trip that if the crew desk has reserve coverage in the domicile you're commuting to, that they won't necessarily give you the PS - they can pull the trip from you saving the PS revenue loss and give it to a reserve, taking the $ out of your month.
We didn't find anything in the contract either way spelling this out (granted, we didn't search for everything outside of commute policy of 'you don't show up - you don't get paid).
In the previous threads I've read here about 'should I bid for this domicile or that since I'm commuting anyway?' nobody has commented about the crew desk possibly yanking your line trip if they have reserve coverage where you're going.
03-19-2015, 09:21 AM
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21-P Commuter Policy
When traveling to their assignment, pilots are expected to exercise prudent judgment, including awareness of weather and other factors affecting travel, so as to allow adequate time for completion of all required activities associated with the schedule assignment or reserve duty. Specifically, if commuting by air, a Pilot must have a minimum of a primary and secondary flight (on and/or off-line), both of which are scheduled to arrive prior to report time for the initial schedule assignment or reserve duty. If, for any reason, a Pilot is unable to commute via the primary flight, the Pilot is to inform Crew Scheduling as soon as possible that he is planning to utilize the secondary flight. The contact with Crew Scheduling should be as detailed as possible to ensure they fully understand the situation. If, for any reason, a Pilot is unable to commute via the secondary flight, he must inform Crew Scheduling as soon as possible that he is or may be unable to cover the schedule assignment or reserve duty. In the case of a Reserve, his monthly guarantee shall be reduced by MPG value of the missed reserve day; however, the reserve may, with concurrence of the Chief Pilot Office or FODM, be given an assignment or elect to move an RDO and retain guarantee. In the case of a Lineholder, his Line Pay Value, MPG as necessary, and PTC shall be reduced by the value of any missed assignment.
I wouldn't sweat a call from the flight office. Just point him to this section in contract. Nowhere does it mention a limit for times you can call and say "sorry missed my primary and secondary flight"
And yes I commute and I will give 3 maybe 4 flights if it's a really crummy day, but I'm not hanging out at the airport all day either. Contract says 2 and that's good enough for me
When traveling to their assignment, pilots are expected to exercise prudent judgment, including awareness of weather and other factors affecting travel, so as to allow adequate time for completion of all required activities associated with the schedule assignment or reserve duty. Specifically, if commuting by air, a Pilot must have a minimum of a primary and secondary flight (on and/or off-line), both of which are scheduled to arrive prior to report time for the initial schedule assignment or reserve duty. If, for any reason, a Pilot is unable to commute via the primary flight, the Pilot is to inform Crew Scheduling as soon as possible that he is planning to utilize the secondary flight. The contact with Crew Scheduling should be as detailed as possible to ensure they fully understand the situation. If, for any reason, a Pilot is unable to commute via the secondary flight, he must inform Crew Scheduling as soon as possible that he is or may be unable to cover the schedule assignment or reserve duty. In the case of a Reserve, his monthly guarantee shall be reduced by MPG value of the missed reserve day; however, the reserve may, with concurrence of the Chief Pilot Office or FODM, be given an assignment or elect to move an RDO and retain guarantee. In the case of a Lineholder, his Line Pay Value, MPG as necessary, and PTC shall be reduced by the value of any missed assignment.
I wouldn't sweat a call from the flight office. Just point him to this section in contract. Nowhere does it mention a limit for times you can call and say "sorry missed my primary and secondary flight"
And yes I commute and I will give 3 maybe 4 flights if it's a really crummy day, but I'm not hanging out at the airport all day either. Contract says 2 and that's good enough for me
03-19-2015, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bottoms up
21-P Commuter Policy
When traveling to their assignment, pilots are expected to exercise prudent judgment, including awareness of weather and other factors affecting travel, so as to allow adequate time for completion of all required activities associated with the schedule assignment or reserve duty. Specifically, if commuting by air, a Pilot must have a minimum of a primary and secondary flight (on and/or off-line), both of which are scheduled to arrive prior to report time for the initial schedule assignment or reserve duty. If, for any reason, a Pilot is unable to commute via the primary flight, the Pilot is to inform Crew Scheduling as soon as possible that he is planning to utilize the secondary flight. The contact with Crew Scheduling should be as detailed as possible to ensure they fully understand the situation. If, for any reason, a Pilot is unable to commute via the secondary flight, he must inform Crew Scheduling as soon as possible that he is or may be unable to cover the schedule assignment or reserve duty. In the case of a Reserve, his monthly guarantee shall be reduced by MPG value of the missed reserve day; however, the reserve may, with concurrence of the Chief Pilot Office or FODM, be given an assignment or elect to move an RDO and retain guarantee. In the case of a Lineholder, his Line Pay Value, MPG as necessary, and PTC shall be reduced by the value of any missed assignment.
I wouldn't sweat a call from the flight office. Just point him to this section in contract. Nowhere does it mention a limit for times you can call and say "sorry missed my primary and secondary flight"
And yes I commute and I will give 3 maybe 4 flights if it's a really crummy day, but I'm not hanging out at the airport all day either. Contract says 2 and that's good enough for me
When traveling to their assignment, pilots are expected to exercise prudent judgment, including awareness of weather and other factors affecting travel, so as to allow adequate time for completion of all required activities associated with the schedule assignment or reserve duty. Specifically, if commuting by air, a Pilot must have a minimum of a primary and secondary flight (on and/or off-line), both of which are scheduled to arrive prior to report time for the initial schedule assignment or reserve duty. If, for any reason, a Pilot is unable to commute via the primary flight, the Pilot is to inform Crew Scheduling as soon as possible that he is planning to utilize the secondary flight. The contact with Crew Scheduling should be as detailed as possible to ensure they fully understand the situation. If, for any reason, a Pilot is unable to commute via the secondary flight, he must inform Crew Scheduling as soon as possible that he is or may be unable to cover the schedule assignment or reserve duty. In the case of a Reserve, his monthly guarantee shall be reduced by MPG value of the missed reserve day; however, the reserve may, with concurrence of the Chief Pilot Office or FODM, be given an assignment or elect to move an RDO and retain guarantee. In the case of a Lineholder, his Line Pay Value, MPG as necessary, and PTC shall be reduced by the value of any missed assignment.
I wouldn't sweat a call from the flight office. Just point him to this section in contract. Nowhere does it mention a limit for times you can call and say "sorry missed my primary and secondary flight"
And yes I commute and I will give 3 maybe 4 flights if it's a really crummy day, but I'm not hanging out at the airport all day either. Contract says 2 and that's good enough for me
Based on what I've read here, if you call, you very well may lose your trip.
03-19-2015, 10:01 AM
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Ive used this policy twice.
The first time, my primary flt canceled, so i called scheds. They were short fo's so they immediately ps'd me on the next flt.
The second time, i did not get on my primary flt, so i called sheds. The secondary flt was oversold, the scheduler said they had coverage so it was up to me whether i got to work or not. They said to let them know if i wasnt going to make it either before or after trying the secondary flt....which was a roll of the dice for me cause my secondary was due to arrive very close to report time. Luckily i made it on the flight and all was good. Basically, i think its a fair policy, if you abide by it to the letter, you will not get in hot water, but, you may lose the value of your trip. If you absolutely cant afford to lose the value of your trip then you just have to give yourself more options.
The first time, my primary flt canceled, so i called scheds. They were short fo's so they immediately ps'd me on the next flt.
The second time, i did not get on my primary flt, so i called sheds. The secondary flt was oversold, the scheduler said they had coverage so it was up to me whether i got to work or not. They said to let them know if i wasnt going to make it either before or after trying the secondary flt....which was a roll of the dice for me cause my secondary was due to arrive very close to report time. Luckily i made it on the flight and all was good. Basically, i think its a fair policy, if you abide by it to the letter, you will not get in hot water, but, you may lose the value of your trip. If you absolutely cant afford to lose the value of your trip then you just have to give yourself more options.
03-19-2015, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Privateer20
Ive used this policy twice.
The first time, my primary flt canceled, so i called scheds. They were short fo's so they immediately ps'd me on the next flt.
The second time, i did not get on my primary flt, so i called sheds. The secondary flt was oversold, the scheduler said they had coverage so it was up to me whether i got to work or not. They said to let them know if i wasnt going to make it either before or after trying the secondary flt....which was a roll of the dice for me cause my secondary was due to arrive very close to report time. Luckily i made it on the flight and all was good. Basically, i think its a fair policy, if you abide by it to the letter, you will not get in hot water, but, you may lose the value of your trip. If you absolutely cant afford to lose the value of your trip then you just have to give yourself more options.
The first time, my primary flt canceled, so i called scheds. They were short fo's so they immediately ps'd me on the next flt.
The second time, i did not get on my primary flt, so i called sheds. The secondary flt was oversold, the scheduler said they had coverage so it was up to me whether i got to work or not. They said to let them know if i wasnt going to make it either before or after trying the secondary flt....which was a roll of the dice for me cause my secondary was due to arrive very close to report time. Luckily i made it on the flight and all was good. Basically, i think its a fair policy, if you abide by it to the letter, you will not get in hot water, but, you may lose the value of your trip. If you absolutely cant afford to lose the value of your trip then you just have to give yourself more options.
03-20-2015, 07:36 AM
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When they post "junior manning opportunities are available" on CCS I tend to get more aggressive with my commute because you know they are short staffed in base. I've always gotten PS on my back up flight on those days.
