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UAL T38 Phlyer 04-25-2015 08:51 AM

UAX Hi-Dive?
 
Inside the SkyWest Airlines Plane Where 3 Passengers Passed Out Mid-Flight - ABC News

Hypoxia, or hyperventilation? Group hysteria?

Or, engine-oil mist in the A/C?

DENpilot 04-25-2015 09:24 AM

Jeez, all kinds of stupidity going on in that aircraft and that article.

freezingflyboy 04-25-2015 09:49 AM

Whenever I read/watch/hear 'news' stories like this I get the impression that the media (and I guess by association, the general public) think we as pilots are just along for the ride while the plane has a mind of it's own. For example, I love the caption they have on for most of this story that reads "Plane Nosedives After Passengers Pass Out". Oh, so the plane senses 3 people have lost consciousness and starts a random, uncontrolled "nosedive"? Does anyone know any other way to "dive" a jet? Better than an assdive I suppose but that's a whole different topic. Give me a freaking break. Why not say something like "Pilots React to Medical Emergency"? Not sensationalist enough I suppose :rolleyes:

/rant

oldmako 04-25-2015 09:56 AM

"Intoxicated, psychotic, sleepy, overpaid, crybaby, part time whiny pilots unable to respond to Medical Emergency: Plane Nosedives entirely on its own nearly killing everyone. Dr Bob Arnot saves the day. Details at Eleven."

How's that?

UAL T38 Phlyer 04-25-2015 10:28 AM

Rather than debate the merits and accuracy of the media (zero/none), my real question was:

"What would make three people pass out, and no one else?"

sarahswhere 04-25-2015 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 1868513)
Rather than debate the merits and accuracy of the media (zero/none), my real question was:

"What would make three people pass out, and no one else?"

A lower tolerance for hypoxia than everyone else.

UAL T38 Phlyer 04-25-2015 10:44 AM

True, especially amongst the elderly or weak.

I've also seen the self-induced form (hyperventilation) due to anxiety in the altitude chamber (not passed out, but displaying hypoxia symptoms).

That's the mass-hysteria angle. One person does due to their low tolerance. Another---a nurse---gets lightheaded from exhertion on said patient. Some other armrest-gripper sees this and thinks "We aren't getting any air!!" Panic, etc.

Other than high cabin altitude, the only other thing I know of that can affect people physiologically would be engine oil present in the bleed air, which goes to the cabin. Such oil can originate from a pinhole leak at the first bearing, in front of the compressor.

Jet turbine oil contains Tricresyl phosphate as a stabilizing additive for high and low temerature extremes.

Tricresyl phosphate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is also a nerve agent and extremely toxic.

Firsttimeflyer 04-25-2015 12:14 PM

Brian Williams is reporting he had enough breathable oxygen just three rows in front of those people but could sense a pressurization problem in that specific area, almost like a black hole, the pilots were reported watching the aircraft not do a nosedive, rather a cannonball.

John Carr 04-25-2015 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer (Post 1868599)
Brian Williams is reporting he had enough breathable oxygen just three rows in front of those people but could sense a pressurization problem in that specific area, almost like a black hole, the pilots were reported watching the aircraft not do a nosedive, rather a cannonball.

It was actually this;


CBreezy 04-25-2015 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer (Post 1868599)
Brian Williams is reporting he had enough breathable oxygen just three rows in front of those people but could sense a pressurization problem in that specific area, almost like a black hole, the pilots were reported watching the aircraft not do a nosedive, rather a cannonball.

Brian Williams would never do such a thing. He would've been in those seats, next to those passengers feeling what it was like to experience an explosive decompression but had no issues because of his extensive workout regimen.


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