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08-13-2015 | 08:05 AM
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JP and Jeff decided there would not be a flush bid. This plus the fact they change fleet/fleet locations on a daily bases is the result. I'd bet they planned on the pilots being a little more workable with their ideas and shortcomings. They really don't understand the pilot composition of the new United and our willingness to enforce our contract.
What the pilots can't do is assume the movement is part of growth of the merged airlines. If anything it has caused a lot of angst and suffering on the part of many. It's causing loss of pay, QOL, distress on the families. Sad thing upper management and especially Jeff could care less.
What the pilots can't do is assume the movement is part of growth of the merged airlines. If anything it has caused a lot of angst and suffering on the part of many. It's causing loss of pay, QOL, distress on the families. Sad thing upper management and especially Jeff could care less.
08-13-2015 | 09:40 AM
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It would have been better for the airline and ALL pilots if the airline had been rebid on day one of final SLI. If that's not obvious to you or you're just a sad ex-CAL type in denial trying to defend Jeff and JP then I don't know what to say.
08-13-2015 | 05:49 PM
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I thought the no flush bid was part of the arbitrator's ruling. You're saying it was because Jeff Smisek wanted it and ALPA went along?
08-13-2015 | 06:22 PM
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If you know of any written agreement between ALPA and the company on rebidding the airline (flush bid) or an arbitrator ruling concerning the same, please share it with everybody.
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08-13-2015 | 06:46 PM
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It was in the TPA that was agreed to by the L-UAL MEC, L-CAL MEC and the company. I am surprised Allen is not trying to blame this on Ben Salley somehow.
08-13-2015 | 08:06 PM
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Arbitrator had nothing to do with a rebidding the airline decision. It was actually Fred selling it to Jeff for JP. Jeff used it to gain favor with what he thought would be the new leader of the merged pilot group (JP). Thought wrong! Before you try to put it on ALPA, I don't think ALPA had a say other than the leaders of CAL ALPA making a deal with Jeff.
If you know of any written agreement between ALPA and the company on rebidding the airline (flush bid) or an arbitrator ruling concerning the same, please share it with everybody.
If you know of any written agreement between ALPA and the company on rebidding the airline (flush bid) or an arbitrator ruling concerning the same, please share it with everybody.
5-B. Acceptance of Integrated Seniority List. Subject only to the conditions stated below, the Parties will accept the results of the Seniority List Integration and incorporate them in the Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement.
(i) The Integrated Seniority List shall have only prospective effect. Specifically, and without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the following conditions shall apply:
- There shall be no "system flush" whereby a Pilot may displace another Pilot from the latter’s position as a result of the implementation of the Integrated Seniority List or the implementation or expiration of any condition or restriction; and
- Pilots on furlough status at the time the Integrated Seniority List is implemented may not bump or displace pilots in active status at that time; and
- Pilots who, at the time of implementation of an integrated seniority list, are in the process of completing or who have completed qualification training for a new position (e.g., B-777 Captain or A-319 First Officer) may be assigned to the position for which they are being or have been trained, regardless of their relative standing on the Integrated Seniority List.
(iii) The Integrated Seniority List shall not contain conditions or restrictions that substantially increase the costs associated with training above those normally associated with the merger of two airlines.
08-14-2015 | 03:15 AM
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You aren't even close, try again. From page 10 of the TPA:
5-B. Acceptance of Integrated Seniority List. Subject only to the conditions stated below, the Parties will accept the results of the Seniority List Integration and incorporate them in the Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement.
(i) The Integrated Seniority List shall have only prospective effect. Specifically, and without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the following conditions shall apply:
(iii) The Integrated Seniority List shall not contain conditions or restrictions that substantially increase the costs associated with training above those normally associated with the merger of two airlines.
5-B. Acceptance of Integrated Seniority List. Subject only to the conditions stated below, the Parties will accept the results of the Seniority List Integration and incorporate them in the Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement.
(i) The Integrated Seniority List shall have only prospective effect. Specifically, and without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the following conditions shall apply:
- There shall be no "system flush" whereby a Pilot may displace another Pilot from the latter’s position as a result of the implementation of the Integrated Seniority List or the implementation or expiration of any condition or restriction; and
- Pilots on furlough status at the time the Integrated Seniority List is implemented may not bump or displace pilots in active status at that time; and
- Pilots who, at the time of implementation of an integrated seniority list, are in the process of completing or who have completed qualification training for a new position (e.g., B-777 Captain or A-319 First Officer) may be assigned to the position for which they are being or have been trained, regardless of their relative standing on the Integrated Seniority List.
(iii) The Integrated Seniority List shall not contain conditions or restrictions that substantially increase the costs associated with training above those normally associated with the merger of two airlines.
He is an absolute clown that pops off with no clue.
Please don't let facts get in the way of emotion.
09-06-2015 | 05:00 AM
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Per the company info put out on Friday, there are no plans to put any more new hires in the 767 fleets, due to all the training slots being used for current pilots (transitions and BAT's)
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