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SpecialTracking 10-14-2015 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1992497)
That's like suggesting that a head coaching change can't effect a football team's performance. I'll be interested to see if there are further changes in upper management as Munoz settles in
If there aren't changes, that essentially says the problems at United rested solely at the feet of Smizek. I'm assuming there will be changes. The question is to what extent and as we wonder during every regime change, will it reach into middle management?

Mitch Rapp05 10-14-2015 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by Thor (Post 1992532)
You guys are dreamers. Oscar said he needed 90 days to visit around the system and get a clue about how to run United. His start date, September 8th, + 90 days is December 7th. The contract extension deadline is November 20th, so, the new boss won't have even completed his initial uptake by then.

The cynic in me says this is a last ditch effort by flight ops management to patch past mismanagement before they have to explain to the new boss why United can't fly to Aukland or Tel Aviv. I'd be shocked if Oscar was involved in, or even aware of, current pilot negotiations.
That's the point of my post though. If nothing changes then we know that Munoz is just like the other guy and we will then proceed accordingly. We are all hoping for the best, but most of us are probably not expecting much.

Dave Fitzgerald 10-14-2015 07:46 PM
Hmmm....Dec 7th.....a day.....that.....may live....in .....infamy....

(Note the avatar)

UALfor25 10-14-2015 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by Thor (Post 1992532)
I'd be shocked if Oscar was involved in, or even aware of, current pilot negotiations.
+1

Oscar didn't initiate contact with the union and invite them to chat. He's not taking part in these discussions. His "true colors" have nothing to do with this negotiation. The same old, same old upper management and legal goons do.

gettinbumped 10-14-2015 10:28 PM
Originally Posted by syd111 (Post 1992573)
Well keep believing and keep selling. I'll wait for the change, you can jump for the first thing they throw your way.

By the way normally when their is a head coaching change it is quickly followed by a defensive, offensive, special team change and a bunch of others.
And we will see! I would be very surprised if the Sr Management team at UAL is the same in 12 months as it is now

gettinbumped 10-14-2015 10:32 PM
Originally Posted by Thor (Post 1992532)
You guys are dreamers. Oscar said he needed 90 days to visit around the system and get a clue about how to run United. His start date, September 8th, + 90 days is December 7th. The contract extension deadline is November 20th, so, the new boss won't have even completed his initial uptake by then.

The cynic in me says this is a last ditch effort by flight ops management to patch past mismanagement before they have to explain to the new boss why United can't fly to Aukland or Tel Aviv. I'd be shocked if Oscar was involved in, or even aware of, current pilot negotiations.
Two things: if he's not aware of the fact that the company approached ALPA with a contract offer he would be the worst CEO in history. Come on.....

Second: let's say your theory is true and it's a desperate management move to try to figure out how to save their jobs before Munoz figures out we can't do Tel Aviv (which I HIGHLY doubt). Why wouldn't you want to exploit that for your gain??

gettinbumped 10-14-2015 10:38 PM
I may be missing something here, but why would SFO- Aukland or Tel Aviv cause issues? Both are shorter than SFO- SYD which we already do. Any widebody folks know what would cause these two routes to be unable to operate without a change to the contract?

Firsttimeflyer 10-14-2015 11:13 PM
Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1992832)
I may be missing something here, but why would SFO- Aukland or Tel Aviv cause issues? Both are shorter than SFO- SYD which we already do. Any widebody folks know what would cause these two routes to be unable to operate without a change to the contract?
I am still wondering the same thing.

I get that any significant delay can mess things up on any fleet but don't see why these two routes are special.

AxlF16 10-15-2015 03:01 AM
Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1992832)
I may be missing something here, but why would SFO- Aukland or Tel Aviv cause issues? Both are shorter than SFO- SYD which we already do. Any widebody folks know what would cause these two routes to be unable to operate without a change to the contract?
I don't have my iPad handy to verify, but I think LAX/SFO to SYD is one of the existing 'FRMS waivers'.

UALinIAH 10-15-2015 06:09 AM
Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1992832)
I may be missing something here, but why would SFO- Aukland or Tel Aviv cause issues? Both are shorter than SFO- SYD which we already do. Any widebody folks know what would cause these two routes to be unable to operate without a change to the contract?
Right now the company must get ALPA approval before adding new ULH routes. LOA 22.


1. Prior to submitting an FRMS application to the FAA for approval, the Company will obtain ALPA’s consent. Such consent will not be unreasonably withheld and, if withheld, will be based solely on the merits of the FRMS application. ALPA’s reason(s) for withholding consent shall be provided to the Company in writing. However, ALPA may withhold its consent for any reason if the FRMS either seeks to raise any part of FAR 117 Table B above fourteen (14) hours or would require a change to the Agreement to be implemented.


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