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El10 10-16-2015 08:48 AM
Originally Posted by untied (Post 1993758)
That's the same line of B.S. that the LCAL side gave when they were given profit sharing without negotiating it.

We grieved it and won…so no, it's not "pre diluted".

And no, they should not get profit sharing if it's not in their contract.

We can't just have special groups given more than what they negotiated while leaving out the other "co-workers".
It does sound like AFA negotiated this amongst other items important to LUAL FAs.

El10 10-16-2015 09:05 AM
By the way the the guy is in the hospital after having a heart attack.

CALFO 10-16-2015 09:05 AM
Apparently Munoz suffered a heart attack yesterday.

APC225 10-16-2015 09:52 AM
That's a real shame. Hope he recovers. Heck of thing to happen for him at this point, or any time.

svergin 10-16-2015 10:05 AM
Originally Posted by untied (Post 1993758)
That's the same line of B.S. that the LCAL side gave when they were given profit sharing without negotiating it.

We grieved it and won…so no, it's not "pre diluted".

And no, they should not get profit sharing if it's not in their contract.

We can't just have special groups given more than what they negotiated while leaving out the other "co-workers".
Why shouldn't LCAL pilots have been given profit sharing? We participated in the same company helping make that profit.

CousinEddie 10-16-2015 10:14 AM
Originally Posted by svergin (Post 1993831)
Why shouldn't LCAL pilots have been given profit sharing? We participated in the same company helping make that profit.
Recognizing the contribution that a group made to the company. Good concept. I agree. Yet when it comes to the furloughees and their years of longevity with the company and contribution they made, you think that should have been completely ignored.

MasterOfPuppets 10-16-2015 10:24 AM
Originally Posted by CousinEddie (Post 1993839)
Recognizing the contribution that a group made to the company. Good concept. I agree. Yet when it comes to the furloughees and their years of longevity with the company and contribution they made, you think that should have been completely ignored.
Good post!!

oldmako 10-16-2015 11:18 AM
Originally Posted by svergin (Post 1993831)
Why shouldn't LCAL pilots have been given profit sharing? We participated in the same company helping make that profit.
The issue wasn't weather or not it was deserved, or the right thing to do. The issue is what was the language in the LCAL CBA. Subtle to some I suppose, but when it comes to contractual language, not so much.

What did the arbitrator say about it? Didn't this already get beat to death?

svergin 10-16-2015 11:29 AM
Originally Posted by CousinEddie (Post 1993839)
Recognizing the contribution that a group made to the company. Good concept. I agree. Yet when it comes to the furloughees and their years of longevity with the company and contribution they made, you think that should have been completely ignored.
I don't exactly know how to recognize longevity and what that's really worth. It looked like profit sharing was paid out based on pay received, so the 777 CA got more than a 737 FO, but did they really contribute more? Really? Also two pilots with the exact same longevity may be paid differently based on their BES and how much add pay they fly, so its not strictly longevity that matters to the company or the union.

MasterOfPuppets 10-16-2015 11:37 AM
Originally Posted by svergin (Post 1993883)
I don't exactly know how to recognize longevity and what that's really worth. It looked like profit sharing was paid out based on pay received, so the 777 CA got more than a 737 FO, but did they really contribute more? Really? Also two pilots with the exact same longevity may be paid differently based on their BES and how much add pay they fly, so its not strictly longevity that matters to the company or the union.
Boy his response flew right over your head didn't it......


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