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Old 01-08-2016 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Look at the CASM of each aircraft. Embraers aren't going to replace A319s and 737-700s.


...we need to take back the SNB flying to mainline.
Agree! There are different reasons to operate both.
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Old 01-08-2016 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by GPullR
Not going to be CS-100. Either E2 or more A319/320 and 737s. Will know in a month or less.
Wow! That's too bad if true because the CS100 and CS300 combination would be effective. Republic can't use the 40 CS300 orders and 40 CS300 options due to scope restrictions (probably would sell the positions for cheap) and the CS300 will be available later in 2016. SWISS has orders for both the CS100 and CS300 for intra-Europe routes and will have CS100 operational experience/data to share with the industry by mid 2016.
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Old 01-08-2016 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
Wow! That's too bad if true because the CS100 and CS300 combination would be effective. Republic can't use the 40 CS300 orders and 40 CS300 options due to scope restrictions (probably would sell the positions for cheap) and the CS300 will be available later in 2016. SWISS has orders for both the CS100 and CS300 for intra-Europe routes and will have CS100 operational experience/data to share with the industry by mid 2016.
No expert on the C-Series - but I have to say, despite it being an incredible aircraft on-paper, BBD had a pretty poor reputation on the line at a former airline for their efforts to work through the many maintenance kinks and generally supporting the Q400 program. Add to that, the C-Series has been on life support for a while - that can't be good for a prospective buyer's confidence. But I agree - if we do get them and the program is running smoothly (two big if's!), the 100 and 300 sound like good long-term airframes to operate.
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Old 01-08-2016 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
So this is where the "*" in the TA is going to lead us to a fight!!
Does including the E2 in the Pay band with the E190/95 (via and Asterisk) also mean that it fulfills the requirement as a NSNB aircraft??? (no asterisk added in that section mentioned in the TA)

If so, that is where the bigger concern comes for the long term plan for the 319 and 737-700. Especially the 319 since the ones we are getting today are used, so their UA life expectancy would be shorter than most of the 737-700s.

Buy the bigger E2 version and replace the A319s and 737-700 with a lower paying aircraft.

Not sure with the low fuel prices and low lease prices (on used 319s) that this is a short term concern, but as fuel goes up in the coming years the savings in lease costs gets eaten up by the increased fuel costs. Then we end up flying the same sized aircraft for less money !
So, why hasn't the aircraft type been announced? A deal struck and inked before the vote deadline? There is absolutely NO reason for this, except that the asterisk is gonna be a gotcha,imho. Can't imagine being furloughed a 3rd time by the same company. Speaking of that, does the lual furlough first from contract 2012 ,still in play until 2017, or did it come down with the fence?
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Old 01-08-2016 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by socalflyboy
So, why hasn't the aircraft type been announced? A deal struck and inked before the vote deadline? There is absolutely NO reason for this, except that the asterisk is gonna be a gotcha,imho. Can't imagine being furloughed a 3rd time by the same company. Speaking of that, does the lual furlough first from contract 2012 ,still in play until 2017, or did it come down with the fence?
There is no NSNB deal as part of this TA. UAL is free to buy any aircraft they see fit at any time.
Why would the asterisk "screw us" and lead to furloughs? Whether the company buys A319s, 737s, CS100s, E190/195s, or E190/195-E2s they will be flown by mainline.

The furlough provision is from the ISL award. It's in force until Sep 2018.
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Old 01-08-2016 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by socalflyboy
So, why hasn't the aircraft type been announced? A deal struck and inked before the vote deadline? There is absolutely NO reason for this, except that the asterisk is gonna be a gotcha,imho. Can't imagine being furloughed a 3rd time by the same company. Speaking of that, does the lual furlough first from contract 2012 ,still in play until 2017, or did it come down with the fence?
The -E2 is just the second generation E175/190/195. The first -E2s won't be delivered until 2018. The asterisk just ensures a pay rate for both generation variants of the E190/195.


The more I think about the CS100 addition to the TA, it may just be there to put pressure on other manufacturers/lessors to give United a better price on NSNBs.
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Old 01-08-2016 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by socalflyboy
Can't imagine being furloughed a 3rd time by the same company. Speaking of that, does the lual furlough first from contract 2012 ,still in play until 2017, or did it come down with the fence?
FWIW, that's not in the UPA but rather a separate "Condition and Restriction" in the ISL Award so it does not change with the TA or the fence.
7. Until the first bid period 5 years following the implementation of the ISL, premerger UAL pilots involuntarily furloughed as of Oct 1, 2010 shall be subject to furlough (in their reverse seniority order) prior to the furlough of any premerger CAL pilot.
So 2018.
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Old 01-08-2016 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
There is no NSNB deal as part of this TA. UAL is free to buy any aircraft they see fit at any time.
Why would the asterisk "screw us" and lead to furloughs? Whether the company buys A319s, 737s, CS100s, E190/195s, or E190/195-E2s they will be flown by mainline.

The furlough provision is from the ISL award. It's in force until Sep 2018.
Because if you vote yes and they announce emb195*/e2 which is a big ass rj...close to 737 500 wt, and close to 3000nm range, your flying a guppy for skywest rates. If they inked a deal for cs300,and at 250ish an hour that would seem to me to be a change in my vote. Please tell me why a wb f/o is making more than a CAPTAIN on this probable 195/e2 ***,whatever you call it? Also, since there is an *, you know the company lawyers are gonna call them something different than they are=subject to more outsourcing.
Go ahead and vote yes..get ur 13%, and your loa fix, but hopefully this won't lead to furloughs. You and I both know that mgt has had a hard on for us pilots forever! Does a pig in lipstick ring a bell?
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Old 01-08-2016 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by GPullR
Actually you are completely wrong. Not gonna name my source but u will find out in a month. CS-100 is a performance machine. Unfortunately u have to pay huge money to carry that around all the time and barely use it. CS-100 vastly more expensive per copy. UAL doesn't believe bombardier could deliver what they need on time and very worried about support. Most upper management want to stay with a319 and 737-700, and not get another fleet.
Airbii and Guppies don't get the company scope reliefe per 1-c-1-g, if the company wants to stick with that and just buy 319 and 700s, cool.

CS beats the E's on casm comparison and performance. That was my point, and isn't refutable.
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Old 01-08-2016 | 09:46 AM
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What's "the asterisk?"

By context, it must be in the proposed pay tables, but I don't have that copy....
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