Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   United (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/united/)
-   -   Contract extension AIP bullet points (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/united/91813-contract-extension-aip-bullet-points.html)

ugleeual 11-20-2015 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by CLazarus (Post 2014479)
So what sorts of improvements on Reserve were folks hoping for? I don't have much of a frame of reference. I flew on Reserve a lot last summer, no surprise. Come September, I flew two out and back trips but got paid 80 hours because I volunteered for a bunch of ultimately unused SC/FSBs. Nice surprise, me likey getting paid extra to sit. I'm sure improvements can be made, but don't know what the rub is.

IMO they need to have ADD Pay for working you into a RDO or HDO... FDO is fine with special hoops... The add pay should be same as what line holders get... Why are their days off worth more? This opinion is from a previous 67 line holder... Biggest screw job for RSV in my opinion is having only 6 solid days off... Company would not screw RSV pilots if their was a financial penalty.

Pro2nd 11-20-2015 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by CLazarus (Post 2014479)
So what sorts of improvements on Reserve were folks hoping for? I don't have much of a frame of reference. I flew on Reserve a lot last summer, no surprise. Come September, I flew two out and back trips but got paid 80 hours because I volunteered for a bunch of ultimately unused SC/FSBs. Nice surprise, me likey getting paid extra to sit. I'm sure improvements can be made, but don't know what the rub is.

I take it you aren't global reserve. I am, and had my days off rolled every other week this summer! And when they do you aren't even paid anything for it! The excessive SC and FSB are rediculous as well. Get rid of rollable days off and limit SC and FSB assignments. These are the big ones for me.

Grumble 11-20-2015 06:18 PM

My very rookie status/experience/bar napkin math tells me if they get the 117/FRMS relieve then by default that relieves their need for SC abuses on the global guys. It's not like they want to shell out money for unused short calls.

CLazarus 11-20-2015 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by Pro2nd (Post 2014485)
I take it you aren't global reserve. I am, and had my days off rolled every other week this summer! And when they do you aren't even paid anything for it!

Ah ha, indeed I am not global reserve and didn't get any days off rolled. I do see now why that would need to be improved.

Pro2nd 11-20-2015 06:55 PM

On a side note, my reserve QOL the last few months has been fantastic. I fly 1 trip a month. Might be mostly the reduced schedule and large supply of reserves. Might also be the temporary side effect of combining the 756 and 76t fleets. Anyway it proves reserve here can be good, but it can also be an absolute nightmare. Seems all related to staffing. I just want to keep the nightmare of this summer from ever reoccurring!

APC225 11-20-2015 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by CLazarus (Post 2014479)
So what sorts of improvements on Reserve were folks hoping for? ... I'm sure improvements can be made, but don't know what the rub is.

- provide rationale and limits to SCs and FSBs
- all unused SCs need to have add pay
- five hours credit for an FSB
- no rationale for min reserve levels; set so high no drops are allowed
- ability to drop and trade reserve days in CCS, reserve levels permitting
- ability to check in/acknowledge SCs and FSBs on CCS
- min days off match SWA of 15/16 days offs
- match SWA min guarantee pay of 79 hours
- monthly schedule frozen from scheduling's changing it; no rolled days off
- FC DH travel
- IT solution to provide automatic FC DH travel seat assignments
- delete 20-K-6-f. I.e., no "double pumps" (SC in a.m., released to p.m. trip)

Lots more but it's late

MasterOfPuppets 11-20-2015 07:36 PM

If there is not a max cap on Shortcalls and FSBs then I don't care how much they want to pay me.

They also need to stop building SC at 2358 and assigning them at 2359, just so they can avoid the sitting of 2 SC in 1 day rule by a minute. A reserve period is 14hrs not sit until the company calls you to give you tomorrow's reserve period.


We'll see y'all in May if what was posted is true this is going to fail by a wide margin.

NFLUALNFL 11-20-2015 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 2014511)
- provide rationale and limits to SCs and FSBs
- all unused SCs need to have add pay
- five hours credit for an FSB
- no rationale for min reserve levels; set so high no drops are allowed
- ability to drop and trade reserve days in CCS, reserve levels permitting
- ability to check in/acknowledge SCs and FSBs on CCS
- min days off match SWA of 15/16 days offs
- match SWA min guarantee pay of 79 hours
- monthly schedule frozen from scheduling's changing it; no rolled days off
- FC DH travel
- IT solution to provide automatic FC DH travel seat assignments
- delete 20-K-6-f. I.e., no "double pumps" (SC in a.m., released to p.m. trip)

Lots more but it's late

Hey ALPA geniuses, Don't send us anything without most or all of this

contrail67 11-20-2015 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by Pro2nd (Post 2014459)
What happened to improving reserve. Hopefully when we get the official word it will include that.

I never read we were even talking about Reserve stuff in this extension piece.

APC225 11-20-2015 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by contrail67 (Post 2014522)

Originally Posted by Pro2nd (Post 2014459)
What happened to improving reserve. Hopefully when we get the official word it will include that.

I never read we were even talking about Reserve stuff in this extension piece.

Exactly. MEC didn't "cave" on reserve issues. They likely didn't even discuss it. MEC Blastmail should say "After two weeks of intense negotiations we have achieved an AIP on a two year extension of current reserve rules. P.S., there are some changes to pay rates."


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:27 PM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands