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Originally Posted by Birddog (Post 2136592)

Well there is some buffoonery---Flight Operations.

IAH 787 FO has been overmanned since Bid 14-02D which was a Flight Ops creation. Bid 14-02D pilots bid into there after SLI. There should have been a displacement then. Manning decided to first get the IAH 737 manning correct, was met with a flood of Flight Ops tears and backtracked. Manning being gunshy after that episode elected to let IAH 787 FO stay bloated after IAH 737 CA's bumped to the fleet. It got so bad at one point the FO to CA ratio was 4.0. With manning so out of whack instead of bumping 787 FO's some inefficient flying was manufactured for the IAH 787 to have a 787 CA bid to lower the FO to CA ratio.

So the company has been paying a couple dozen pilots 200K/year for two and a half years to sit at home rather than nipping the problem in the bud in the first place.

Rest easy though IAH 787 FO's on reserve. You can continue your extracurricular activities (well one can't), Flight Operations is too whimpy to try to bump you.

Dogg

No doubt this is an overflow from the situation created by IAH LEC and local flight operations(CP) and it still appears to fall along legacy lines. Forced flying to benefit one base over another use to be controlled by the MEC. There must be somebody in management that plays to the legacy crowd concerning this. I'm sure the MEC is being played by the OM people claiming to be still working on merger integration and asking for more time.

Trust me. We do sleep well.
This situation is not unlike the den 737 ca after the 76t /airbus bump. Or the ord 76t for a while. This company has done the same for many subfleets throughout the years.. not the first time... wont be the last. So... ehh. If they bump, they bump.. not our first rodeo, and most of us just don't care.

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Originally Posted by blockplus (Post 2136698)

Exactly. Amazing that union pilots are also begging for bumps and better efficiency (less manpower).

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Originally Posted by blockplus (Post 2136698)

Kinda hard to tell what your point is - it's not about rodeos or wearing your fancy chaps to impress your buddies.... It's more like the IAH LEC ploy to stay over-staffed on the 737 and force 737 flying into IAH at the expense of other bases until the 737 flying in IAH returns. The chap wearing, "us just don't care" crowd needs to understand it's not just about you - it's about ALL United pilots.

Who's next on the chopping block? CLE maybe........ Don't tell them about the "us just don't care" crowd.

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Originally Posted by El10 (Post 2136775)

Exactly. Amazing that union pilots are also begging for bumps and better efficiency (less manpower).

Why is it you think IAH is special. Should we have 787 bases or bigger 787 bases in SFO, LAX, ORD or DEN. Forced flying takes away from bases to benefit others. Temporary forcing is one thing but Carve-outs to protect a segment of the pilot population is something else and YES the unionism of all pilots should stand and protect their and other United pilots senority.

So, what does this do to the IAH timeline for newhires? Actually, don't answer that, it was rhetorical. I've read all I need to read about United for a Texas domicile hopeful.

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Originally Posted by AllenAllert (Post 2136879)

IAH is not any more or less special than DEN. Also no base "owns" any flying. The flying goes where the company wants, after recommendations from the SSC are considered. Spots have been offred on the West coast, so no one is being harmed.

Knowing your logic you be the first to cry company stupidity if they announced new flying out of IAH for next summer after completing bumps.

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Originally Posted by El10 (Post 2136911)

I've been crying stupidity on the part of the company since day one of the merger. Use to think it was just JS but now realize it was/is an infrastructure JS put in place or inherited. OM hasn't changed anything but does give better lip service.

Now about IAH and nobody being harmed - all United pilots are being harmed anytime special carve-outs are made for a special group/class. Just like the IAH 737 carve-out attempt, those days are over and for good reason. Sorry!

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Originally Posted by hindsight2020 (Post 2136897)

So, what does this do to the IAH timeline for newhires? Actually, don't answer that, it was rhetorical. I've read all I need to read about United for a Texas domicile hopeful.

Last few bids had newhires going to IAH on the guppy!!

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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 2136406)

Gone.

Two big problems:

1) The business traffic flying IAH-LOS is oil industry related

2) Nigeria is experiencing some extreme currency issues and UAL, along with other airlines, has a whole lot of $$$ locked up that the Nigerian government will not permit to be exchanged into dollars.

WOW! That's a big deal if a corporation (not just UAL) is having to deal with currency locking and currency manipulation. If the company can't trust the government, then the company simply votes with their feet. The end result is we can find a better place to send our jets to earn money. Nigeria, on the other hand....Not so much.