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Old 08-01-2016, 09:52 AM
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Wondering how this works. I remember being based in Cleveland, but living out of state and I eventually got my city of Cleveland and State of Ohio taxes back. It wasn't easy, but I had to show them proof of residence and proof of State tax in another state. But, do all states give you the money back if you live out of base (out of state)? I am hearing California does not. Wondering if you have to end up paying two different State income taxes and/or city taxes? Does the company put out any gouge on their individual bases (states) laws or do you just need to figure that out on your own?
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Fly out of SFO, live in NV. Other than SDI (workmans comp) I have never paid a CA tax.
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Same for Washington State. If you live in SW Washington, you could drive to Oregon and not pay sales tax either.
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If you take a bid in a new state make sure United uses your correct home address. This is what drives tax withholding. For a while United automatically assumed that you lived in base.

Several states (California and Alaska to my knowledge) charge disability insurance based on your work location.

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I've flown with many captains who have two homes... one in VA and another in FL. They claim FL as their home for tax purposes and make sure they stay 183+ days either in FL, on a trip away from base, or elsewhere. They save a ton of money and the tax break pays for part of their "primary" residence. This tactic would work for other areas with little or no state income tax...
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This is how I've explained it to my accountant:

§ “ALPA (Airline Pilot’s Association—my union) has also had to defend against multistate income taxation of its members. Before 1979, a number of states withheld state income taxes from pilot paychecks based on their domicile, regardless of their state of residency. ‘For example,’ says Baker, ‘the state of Massachusetts withheld income taxes from Boston-based airline pilots who lived in New Hampshire. Some states even tried to tax pilot wages based on time spent flying in their airspace. The most egregious example of that was Alaska, which proposed taxing pilots for the time they spent flying into and out of the state.’ In 1979, ALPA lobbyists succeeded in getting an amendment attached to an aircraft noise bill on the Senate floor to block such taxation, thus settling a long-standing tax controversy in favor of airline pilots and flight attendants. https://www.alpa.org/portals/alpa/ma...romtheHill.htm
§ This .pdf from Colorado summarizes the above mentioned ruling. I did not fly more than 50% of my time in NJ. https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/sit...s/Income61.pdf
§ I live in California but commute to Denver. Which state do I file taxes in? - Watson CPA Group- Tax KnowledgeBase and FAQs
§ I spoke with my payroll advisor, Manny (713-324-2008) and was told the only NJ tax I am subject to is the State Unemployment, State Disability, and Family Leave taxes & that these max out at a certain level. He stated (and I clarified that I’m a commuter with a crashpad) that I am not subject to NJ state income taxes.
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At least in CA, in the recent past, if you are based in CA, but live in a different state, CA will send you a nasty letter and try to take taxes.

Just ignore it, or not, but you don't have to pay the taxes they say you owe.
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At least in CA, in the recent past, if you are based in CA, but live in a different state, CA will send you a nasty letter and try to take taxes.

Just ignore it, or not, but you don't have to pay the taxes they say you owe.
Thanks.

I figured something was going on like this. I have heard California was aggressive in this area. So you are saying at the end of the year, California sends you a letter stating how much the state figures you owe them, and you just blow it off because you are already paying taxes, etc in another state.
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Thanks.

I figured something was going on like this. I have heard California was aggressive in this area. So you are saying at the end of the year, California sends you a letter stating how much the state figures you owe them, and you just blow it off because you are already paying taxes, etc in another state.
Yup. UAL used to be pretty good in this area and will also support your position. I have no idea how this works now with the outsourced pay dept.
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Yup. UAL used to be pretty good in this area and will also support your position. I have no idea how this works now with the outsourced pay dept.
pay role is outsourced too??

Bad enough I can't get answers from employee service center on why my wife's TSA pre check won't get onto her ticket when she travels. Six months, still trying. Someone in India I presume speaks to me from some computer IP voice over connection. Says her name is Sheila.
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