FA's ratify contract
08-13-2016 | 11:02 AM
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I guess that's on its way to their stated goal of 18,000 pilots by 2021.
From a couple months back:
From a couple months back:
Originally Posted by Boeing aviator
I posted this on a thread about hiring in the United section and thought I'd repost here.
I've asked a few of the FO's I've flown with who were upgrading soon after we flew to let me know what they heard during Captain Indoc which is conducted at headquarters in Chicago. They get briefings from senior management and even Oscar Munoz our CEO usually visits.
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just reporting back what I've heard. I know it's very optimistic and yes things can change in a NY second.
That being said here is what I've heard recently.
Current mainline fleet is 723, by end of next year 816 and up to 1000 in five years.
Planning on a 18,000 pilot seniority list in five years, current list just over 12,500.
Taking delivery of all 35 firm and 15 options of the A350's.
14 777-300's 4 to SFO rest to EWR.
40% of pilot group will be new hires in five years.
Most senior managers say they have never worked for a CEO like Oscar, very optimistic.
I've asked a few of the FO's I've flown with who were upgrading soon after we flew to let me know what they heard during Captain Indoc which is conducted at headquarters in Chicago. They get briefings from senior management and even Oscar Munoz our CEO usually visits.
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just reporting back what I've heard. I know it's very optimistic and yes things can change in a NY second.
That being said here is what I've heard recently.
Current mainline fleet is 723, by end of next year 816 and up to 1000 in five years.
Planning on a 18,000 pilot seniority list in five years, current list just over 12,500.
Taking delivery of all 35 firm and 15 options of the A350's.
14 777-300's 4 to SFO rest to EWR.
40% of pilot group will be new hires in five years.
Most senior managers say they have never worked for a CEO like Oscar, very optimistic.
08-13-2016 | 09:42 PM
#22
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Can just anyone start the Kum-ba-ya chorus, or is it an appointed position?
I hope all that comes true, but I am not betting on it. Actually, it feels like we "peaked" about a year ago, at least it feels that way to me.
I hope all that comes true, but I am not betting on it. Actually, it feels like we "peaked" about a year ago, at least it feels that way to me.
08-13-2016 | 10:25 PM
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Hah! Experience says Lucy is getting ready to pull the football.
08-14-2016 | 03:23 AM
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Consolidation will smooth out the next calamity a bit and retirements will return furloughs faster but history is history in this business.
Smile in the sun a bit, forget your a pilot and work in the glorified day care that is aviation for awhile. Save a few schekls here and there because this business usually tanks not long after it gets good.
Maybe this cycle is different. Love to be proved wrong.
Smile in the sun a bit, forget your a pilot and work in the glorified day care that is aviation for awhile. Save a few schekls here and there because this business usually tanks not long after it gets good.
Maybe this cycle is different. Love to be proved wrong.
08-14-2016 | 04:23 AM
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United Airlines on Brink of Labor Peace Six Years After Merger
Michael Sasso
August 12, 2016
Flight attendants ratify pact, mechanics near tentative deal
CEO seeks ‘new chapter’ in carrier’s relations with employees
United Continental Holdings Inc. won approval for a new contract with flight attendants and reached an “agreement in principle” with mechanics, setting the stage for labor peace for the first time since the 2010 merger that created the airline.
The Association of Flight Attendants voted 53 percent in favor of a five-year pact that raises top pay rates as much as 31 percent, according to a joint statement with the carrier Friday. United also reached a proposed deal with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters covering 9,000 technicians and related employees, which will be voted on once the language is finished.
The results bolster Chief Executive Officer Oscar Munoz’s strategy of winning over a disgruntled workforce, even if it means accepting higher costs. United reached new agreements or extensions of existing ones with pilots, ground workers and dispatchers during the past year.
“Upon ratification, this will be the first time in almost a decade that all United work groups will have labor contracts in place,” Munoz said in a joint statement with the Teamsters.
“When I took this job last year, I promised to turn the page and write a new chapter in our approach to labor and management relations at United,” he said in the statement with flight attendants.
Flexible Scheduling
Maximum pay for flight attendants with at least 13 years of experience will be set at $62 an hour, according to the contract ratified by the 25,000-member union.
United had failed to reach a joint flight-attendant contract since its October 2010 merger with Continental Airlines. The new deal will allow the carrier to put attendants from United and Continental on the same planes for the first time.
A combined group of flight attendants should give United more flexibility in scheduling, especially when a cabin crew runs up against federally mandated allowable work hours and must be replaced. Until now, for example, a Continental crew could only be replaced by another from the same predecessor airline.
Attendants were further split by jet type. For example, Continental employees worked on Boeing Co. 737 jets, while United crews staffed jumbo 747s. Both camps got a piece of the 787 Dreamliner, with former Continental crews working on the first 25 to join the company’s fleet and United the next 25.
Cost Increase
Mechanics overwhelmingly rejected an earlier deal that would have given them a 25 percent raise, an average bonus check of $9,000 and other benefits, with 93 percent of voters opposing the company’s contract offer.
While many analysts see the labor pacts generally as positive, the deals will boost costs significantly. JPMorgan Chase analyst Jamie Baker in June estimated that the new agreements would increase United’s costs by about $900 million annually. Those expenses could hinder Munoz’s plan to find $3.1 billion in extra revenue or savings by 2018, analysts have said.
Leaders of the flight attendants union overcame significant opposition over the past six weeks to get members to support the deal. Some from the Continental camp complained that the contract was more generous to United attendants because Continental workers have had a slightly higher wage scale in recent years. Other attendants wanted a signing bonus. The union countered that the airline would have offset any such provision with lower wages.
08-14-2016 | 07:51 AM
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I've got a friend that is a long-time UAL FA. She mentioned the pioots getting a signing bonus, and I informed her that isn't true based on what I've read here. She said "call it what you want, but the pilots got 2 checks one the merger deal was signed."
Any idea what she is talking about?
Any idea what she is talking about?
08-14-2016 | 08:02 AM
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I've got a friend that is a long-time UAL FA. She mentioned the pioots getting a signing bonus, and I informed her that isn't true based on what I've read here. She said "call it what you want, but the pilots got 2 checks one the merger deal was signed."
Any idea what she is talking about?
Any idea what she is talking about?
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