737-900ER flaps 15° and go around performance
09-08-2016 | 06:12 AM
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Does anyone do it in the 900ER on the line? Not being flip, genuinely curious. I wonder if you did a Flaps 15 landing and banged the tail if the company would ask why you landed Flaps 15? Do you guys at DAL have the degree of focus placed on tailstrikes as we do at UAL? It was THE big thing that they talked about when I transitioned from the Bus. Well, that and don't go direct with Sabre =).
Maybe I just don't hear about it, but I also don't see you guys (or Alaska for that matter) running them off the runway like we do either. Makes me curious what the issue is that we seem to be having in our house.
Maybe I just don't hear about it, but I also don't see you guys (or Alaska for that matter) running them off the runway like we do either. Makes me curious what the issue is that we seem to be having in our house.
I haven't heard of UAL running any off runways lately. Have I missed something?
I've never personally landed flaps 15 except during IOE. We are encouraged to land at 15, 30, & 40 to gain proficiency with each. They put the fear of God in us concerning tail strikes. We've had our share of them. My biggest complaint (harsh term for it) is that our sims are setup as 800s so the first time anyone new to the jet sees the 900 sight picture is during IOE. The resulting carrier-like landings are inevitable.
What's your autobrake policy? Ours is a minimum of 2 for all models and technique is for 3 on the 900 to eliminate the pitch up tendencies after touchdown.
09-08-2016 | 06:32 AM
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Does anyone do it in the 900ER on the line? Not being flip, genuinely curious. I wonder if you did a Flaps 15 landing and banged the tail if the company would ask why you landed Flaps 15? Do you guys at DAL have the degree of focus placed on tailstrikes as we do at UAL? It was THE big thing that they talked about when I transitioned from the Bus. Well, that and don't go direct with Sabre =).
Maybe I just don't hear about it, but I also don't see you guys (or Alaska for that matter) running them off the runway like we do either. Makes me curious what the issue is that we seem to be having in our house.
Maybe I just don't hear about it, but I also don't see you guys (or Alaska for that matter) running them off the runway like we do either. Makes me curious what the issue is that we seem to be having in our house.
09-08-2016 | 06:38 AM
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Does anyone do it in the 900ER on the line? Not being flip, genuinely curious. I wonder if you did a Flaps 15 landing and banged the tail if the company would ask why you landed Flaps 15? Do you guys at DAL have the degree of focus placed on tailstrikes as we do at UAL? It was THE big thing that they talked about when I transitioned from the Bus. Well, that and don't go direct with Sabre =).
Maybe I just don't hear about it, but I also don't see you guys (or Alaska for that matter) running them off the runway like we do either. Makes me curious what the issue is that we seem to be having in our house.
Maybe I just don't hear about it, but I also don't see you guys (or Alaska for that matter) running them off the runway like we do either. Makes me curious what the issue is that we seem to be having in our house.
09-08-2016 | 07:19 AM
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I haven't heard of UAL running any off runways lately. Have I missed something?
I've never personally landed flaps 15 except during IOE. We are encouraged to land at 15, 30, & 40 to gain proficiency with each. They put the fear of God in us concerning tail strikes. We've had our share of them. My biggest complaint (harsh term for it) is that our sims are setup as 800s so the first time anyone new to the jet sees the 900 sight picture is during IOE. The resulting carrier-like landings are inevitable.
What's your autobrake policy? Ours is a minimum of 2 for all models and technique is for 3 on the 900 to eliminate the pitch up tendencies after touchdown.
I've never personally landed flaps 15 except during IOE. We are encouraged to land at 15, 30, & 40 to gain proficiency with each. They put the fear of God in us concerning tail strikes. We've had our share of them. My biggest complaint (harsh term for it) is that our sims are setup as 800s so the first time anyone new to the jet sees the 900 sight picture is during IOE. The resulting carrier-like landings are inevitable.
What's your autobrake policy? Ours is a minimum of 2 for all models and technique is for 3 on the 900 to eliminate the pitch up tendencies after touchdown.
We had 2 incidents in less than 30 days last winter. 27R/9L at ORD. "The AB system will be used, if available." We have no data for AB-1, which effectively means our minimum is also 2. Most guys use 3 on the 900/ER.
09-08-2016 | 08:08 AM
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I did a flaps 15 landing in a 737-700 as dictated by QRH due to electric trim fail. Landed great and still made the mid field turn off.
Otherwise usually use 30, occasionally 40, but the 800 and 900's seen to get pretty roll-sensitive when doing that.
Tail is not a big deal if flown on speed. Guys get in trouble when they pull the power and float halfway down the runway below Ref.
Otherwise usually use 30, occasionally 40, but the 800 and 900's seen to get pretty roll-sensitive when doing that.
Tail is not a big deal if flown on speed. Guys get in trouble when they pull the power and float halfway down the runway below Ref.
09-08-2016 | 08:28 AM
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The bad news for Guppy lovers is that everybody crashes NG's a little bit. The good news is everybody walks away.
The USAIR bus in the Hudson is the only 320 hull loss in North America, ever. The bad news is that buses flown by 2nd tier (or worse) airlines crash at about the same rate as NG's, but they are horrific crashes and everyone generally is reduced to their carbon based substrate.
But, NG's can't get away from their landing incidents. At first I thought is was because the fuselage was a foot or two closer to the danger point. After flying it for 4 years, I think that factor is the problem. It is just a little closer to hitting the ground and crashing.
So far no tail strikes or curb feeler strikes (new wingtips) for me. But I feel that is a simple statistical anomaly that wouldn't be there if I was 2 feet higher off the ground.
In general, I like Boeing better than Airbus. Except for the Uber Guppy.
JMHO
The USAIR bus in the Hudson is the only 320 hull loss in North America, ever. The bad news is that buses flown by 2nd tier (or worse) airlines crash at about the same rate as NG's, but they are horrific crashes and everyone generally is reduced to their carbon based substrate.
But, NG's can't get away from their landing incidents. At first I thought is was because the fuselage was a foot or two closer to the danger point. After flying it for 4 years, I think that factor is the problem. It is just a little closer to hitting the ground and crashing.
So far no tail strikes or curb feeler strikes (new wingtips) for me. But I feel that is a simple statistical anomaly that wouldn't be there if I was 2 feet higher off the ground.
In general, I like Boeing better than Airbus. Except for the Uber Guppy.
JMHO
09-08-2016 | 11:46 AM
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Does anyone do it in the 900ER on the line? Not being flip, genuinely curious. I wonder if you did a Flaps 15 landing and banged the tail if the company would ask why you landed Flaps 15? Do you guys at DAL have the degree of focus placed on tailstrikes as we do at UAL? It was THE big thing that they talked about when I transitioned from the Bus. Well, that and don't go direct with Sabre =).
Maybe I just don't hear about it, but I also don't see you guys (or Alaska for that matter) running them off the runway like we do either. Makes me curious what the issue is that we seem to be having in our house.
Maybe I just don't hear about it, but I also don't see you guys (or Alaska for that matter) running them off the runway like we do either. Makes me curious what the issue is that we seem to be having in our house.
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09-08-2016 | 11:53 AM
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09-08-2016 | 12:05 PM
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The bad news for Guppy lovers is that everybody crashes NG's a little bit. The good news is everybody walks away.
The USAIR bus in the Hudson is the only 320 hull loss in North America, ever. The bad news is that buses flown by 2nd tier (or worse) airlines crash at about the same rate as NG's, but they are horrific crashes and everyone generally is reduced to their carbon based substrate.
But, NG's can't get away from their landing incidents. At first I thought is was because the fuselage was a foot or two closer to the danger point. After flying it for 4 years, I think that factor is the problem. It is just a little closer to hitting the ground and crashing.
So far no tail strikes or curb feeler strikes (new wingtips) for me. But I feel that is a simple statistical anomaly that wouldn't be there if I was 2 feet higher off the ground.
In general, I like Boeing better than Airbus. Except for the Uber Guppy.
JMHO
The USAIR bus in the Hudson is the only 320 hull loss in North America, ever. The bad news is that buses flown by 2nd tier (or worse) airlines crash at about the same rate as NG's, but they are horrific crashes and everyone generally is reduced to their carbon based substrate.
But, NG's can't get away from their landing incidents. At first I thought is was because the fuselage was a foot or two closer to the danger point. After flying it for 4 years, I think that factor is the problem. It is just a little closer to hitting the ground and crashing.
So far no tail strikes or curb feeler strikes (new wingtips) for me. But I feel that is a simple statistical anomaly that wouldn't be there if I was 2 feet higher off the ground.
In general, I like Boeing better than Airbus. Except for the Uber Guppy.
JMHO
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