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Flytolive 03-09-2017 02:11 PM

Again, for some people it is never soon enough or good enough. You showed your absurd expectations with your comparison of MEC web site technology to that of the most successful e-Commerce company in the U.S. It is obvious that you are in search of things to criticize about what you admit is the best pilot union in the world. ALPA has cut employees numbers and costs and improved the quality of their product to pilots consistently since 9/11.

Get in the arena and show us how it's done.

awax 03-09-2017 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2317481)
Again, for some people it is never soon enough or good enough. You showed your absurd expectations with your comparison of MEC web site technology to that of the most successful e-Commerce company in the U.S.

Yeah, but I didn't. You're the one who keeps making that comparison. I explained to you what the term was that you were struggling with, you filled in the blanks.


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2317481)
It is obvious that you are in search of things to criticize what you admit is the best pilot union in the world. ALPA has cut employees and costs and improved the quality of their product to pilots consistently since 9/11.

Get in the arena and show us how it's done.

I'll remind you that everyone in the special olympics gets a hug, being the best is relative don't you think? Why are you so afraid of taking on any idea that there MAY be better ways to spend dues dollars? Ideas that could actually make the union a stronger organization than it already is.

Flytolive 03-09-2017 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 2317489)
Why are you so afraid of taking on any idea that there MAY be better ways to spend dues dollars? Ideas that could actually make the union a stronger organization than it already is.

I've been working to improve ALPA for years. It is obvious from your posts that the same is not true in your case.

Talk is cheap. Put up or....

awax 03-09-2017 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2317497)
I've been working to improve ALPA for years. It is obvious from your posts that the same is not true in your case.
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Is it obvious? How so? Because I called attention to an entrenched fiefdom that's wasteful and suggested an alternative, that makes me anti-union?

Did you ever think that what you call "working to improve" ALPA may be part of the problem. Let me ask you, does ALPA have any warts, if so, what are they?

Flytolive 03-09-2017 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 2317620)
Is it obvious? How so?

By your response, "I've done enough to know that offering perspective and criticism is the domain of any dues paying member," your gross misunderstanding of what MEC direction is for and what it isn't and your absolutely unrealistic expectations of how a volunteer-centric organization like ALPA functions.

awax 03-09-2017 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2317653)
By your response, "I've done enough to know that offering perspective and criticism is the domain of any dues paying member," your gross misunderstanding of what MEC direction is for and what it isn't and your absolutely unrealistic expectations of how a volunteer-centric organization like ALPA functions.

MEC direction is whatever an LEC brings to the table and the rest of the LECs can agree on. That's it. Read the by-laws and the MEC Policy Manual. If you've found a list of a limited strategic use of MEC direction, then by all means, share.

It's not unrealistic to expect that a professional organization, like ALPA, be a responsible steward of financial resources and to provide the best services for the resources available. Using ALPA's IT as an example, clearly they don't.

Flytolive 03-09-2017 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 2317684)
It's not unrealistic to expect that a professional organization, like ALPA, be a responsible steward of financial resources and to provide the best services for the resources available.

That's exactly what ALPA does. As you said it is the best pilot union in the world.

awax 03-09-2017 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2317687)
That's exactly what ALPA does. As you said it is the best pilot union in the world.

Yes, clearly. 20 years of failed IT and the pilots like you who settle for it proves how awesome ALPA is.

awax 03-09-2017 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2317687)
That's exactly what ALPA does. As you said it is the best pilot union in the world.

Man, I've gotta hand it to you, I've never seen anyone chug the KoolAid like you do. As the chief apologist for a failed ALPA IT strategy, does your dogged determination to cherry pick quotes out of context and deflect facts come naturally or am I sensing some ALPA media training in there? Keep it up, you're such a pro :rolleyes:

Flytolive 03-10-2017 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 2317693)
Yes, clearly. 20 years of failed IT and the pilots like you who settle for it proves how awesome ALPA is.

So you claim. What have you done to help fix the problem since you seem to believe you are some kind of IT expert?

Also, isn't it amazing how ALPA has become, as you say, the best airline pilot union in the world in the midst of the information age with "20 years of failed IT"? Methinks thou doth protest (way) too much.

Amazing that such a tech troubled organization could come up with Known Crewmember, the PDR system or the great new United MEC web site, www.alpa.org/ual that you claimed wouldn't happen for years.


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