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"Two weeks vacation for a reserve puke like myself pays 86 hours minimum for a 30 day month. A big plus up from 73 hour guarantee."

Days off for vacation are the most important thing for me. It takes you using two vacation weeks to get any real days off that month. I only get two weeks a year, so I need to spread them out. One week of vacation only gets me an additional 4 days off a month. That is an absolute joke. At a minimum I want to get 7 extra days off when using a week of vacation. I don't really care how we make that happen, but one way may be to credit more per vacation day.

"Training over 5 days pays 3.0 for EVERY day..even off days. That's 90 hours for a month of transition/upgrade, meaning you'll likely take a pay cut when you're finished and go back to the line."

This is a good point. I was more referring to the CQ pay, but I should have specified.

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Originally Posted by detpilot (Post 2232795)

First, don't get me wrong... I'm grateful and blessed to be working at my dream airline.
But there is one thing that's bugged me, which seems like a major contractual deficit, a problem that didn't even exist at my regional airline.

If there is a 2 day trip, with 1 hour of pay on day 1, and 10 hours of pay on day 2, the trip pays 11 hours. Isn't day 1 supposed to be worth 5 hours at a minimum, regardless of how hard you work the next day?

At my regional, this trip would pay 15 hours. I've noticed a lot of cases like this in the airbus, and I'm just wondering if that's how the contract has always been written. Seems like we're leaving a lot on the table there, and just because I work hard on day 2 doesn't mean my day 1 isn't worth 5 hours of pay.

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While it would be great, what you're really asking for is to have it both ways. The whole point of this contract language wasn't to score you 5 hours for a 2 hour day, but rather to make sure you don't do a 9 hr 3-day trip.

Bumping min day to 6+ would be a better solution because we have a lot of 20hr 4 days on the narrow body stuff.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe Delta gets 5.25 per day. SW, FedEx, and UPS are between 6 and 6.5 hours per day.

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Originally Posted by Pro2nd (Post 2233363)

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe Delta gets 5.25 per day. SW, FedEx, and UPS are between 6 and 6.5 hours per day.

Not sure about DAL, but I think they have 5/day. You're way off on UPS. They have no minimum daily, just 4.0 per duty period with a 3.75/1 duty rig. And that's in their brand new contract. You poo-poo 5/day, but that was a BIG win for us and cost quite a bit of negotiating capital.

The UPS trip rig is 3.75:1, the duty rig is 2:1 or 1.5:1 depending on the hours the trip flies through, Min Pay per Duty/Reserve Period is 4:00, and Min Turn credit is 6:00.

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 2233559)

The UPS trip rig is 3.75:1, the duty rig is 2:1 or 1.5:1 depending on the hours the trip flies through, Min Pay per Duty/Reserve Period is 4:00, and Min Turn credit is 6:00.

Thanks for the info BoilerUp

Change the trip rig to 3:1, or at least 3.25:1

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Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 2233514)

Sorry, didn't mean to poo poo anything. I just like to strive to be up towards the top, not happy i'm not at the bottom.

First contract survey is out. Fill it out with all of your suggestions. I just did it, took 10 mins.