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detpilot 10-27-2016 03:15 PM

Minimum day?
 
First, don't get me wrong... I'm grateful and blessed to be working at my dream airline.
But there is one thing that's bugged me, which seems like a major contractual deficit, a problem that didn't even exist at my regional airline.

If there is a 2 day trip, with 1 hour of pay on day 1, and 10 hours of pay on day 2, the trip pays 11 hours. Isn't day 1 supposed to be worth 5 hours at a minimum, regardless of how hard you work the next day?

At my regional, this trip would pay 15 hours. I've noticed a lot of cases like this in the airbus, and I'm just wondering if that's how the contract has always been written. Seems like we're leaving a lot on the table there, and just because I work hard on day 2 doesn't mean my day 1 isn't worth 5 hours of pay.

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blockplus 10-27-2016 03:23 PM

While the obvious thing to say is yes that would be nice, the historical thing to say is we are getting better and it is a stair step to get to the top rung. Dont know about most majors; but at Continental, we never had it this good.

Pro2nd 10-27-2016 04:21 PM

This is more or less typical of airline contracts. Its a trip minimum, not a daily minimum.

Pro2nd 10-27-2016 04:23 PM

Most majors have a higher per day min credit than we do. 5.25 up to 6.5 i believe. Maybe next contract, as well as our joke of vacation and training day credit.

John Carr 10-27-2016 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by blockplus (Post 2232803)
but at Continental, we never had it this good.

"Did you know that Continental was voted one of the best places to work? Bid a month of reserve and see for yourself"

-Floyd

webecheck 10-27-2016 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by Pro2nd (Post 2232858)
Most majors have a higher per day min credit than we do. 5.25 up to 6.5 i believe. Maybe next contract, as well as our joke of vacation and training day credit.

Wouldn't the company just increase the hard time per trip to avoid paying soft time in the event we were able to negotiate a min credit increase to 5.5 per day? I'm ok with only 5 hrs in a guppy per day.

APC225 10-27-2016 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by detpilot (Post 2232795)
If there is a 2 day trip, with 1 hour of pay on day 1, and 10 hours of pay on day 2, the trip pays 11 hours. Isn't day 1 supposed to be worth 5 hours at a minimum, regardless of how hard you work the next day?

What we've got is a average min per day which pays at least 10 hours for this trip. What we want a min per each day which would pay 15 for this trip.


Originally Posted by webecheck (Post 2232923)
Wouldn't the company just increase the hard time per trip to avoid paying soft time in the event we were able to negotiate a min credit increase to 5.5 per day?

I think they would try to even out the hard hours per day to keep each day as close as possible to 5 hours.

pilotgolfer 10-27-2016 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 2232980)
What we've got is a average min per day which pays at least 10 hours for this trip. What we want a min per each day which would pay 15 for this trip.

I think they would try to even out the hard hours per day to keep each day as close as possible to 5 hours.

We should be going for a min per duty period. Have you seen the trips with a 5am departure to a day sleep, then fly out that night? That's two duty periods but it all falls in same day.

awax 10-27-2016 08:40 PM

Have you guys read 5-G-2?

C11DCA 10-27-2016 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 2233002)
We should be going for a min per duty period. Have you seen the trips with a 5am departure to a day sleep, then fly out that night? That's two duty periods but it all falls in same day.

Old UAL had min per duty of 5 hours, which resulted in a 3 day redeye trip (either east coast or Hawaii) that only paid 10 hours. Or a 5 day domestic trip, 4 duty periods with a 30 hour layover, that paid 20 hours.

Pick your poison. The company will figure out how to build trips that cost them the least amount of $$.


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