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Old 11-28-2016 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
Sweet. Really glad you made it home
Thanks! It was one of those awesome non-rev moments when you apologetically run up the gate 10 prior to closing with no JS listing and with smiles everyone takes care of you. Didn't think I had a chance and wouldn't have blamed them for turning me away but I made it home hours early.
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Old 11-28-2016 | 10:46 AM
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Sounds like nothing has changed on ferry flights. 20 years ago I flew an empty 747 IAD to SFO while our FAs had to deadhead on a different plane.
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Old 11-28-2016 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 2old2fly
Sounds like nothing has changed on ferry flights. 20 years ago I flew an empty 747 IAD to SFO while our FAs had to deadhead on a different plane.
Sorry but this would not happen today and you might have more than just the fa's on board
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Old 11-28-2016 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by syd111
Sorry but this would not happen today and you might have more than just the fa's on board
Yeah, I think you guys are talking about different scenarios. A repositioning flight, a charter, and a maintenance ferry all have different rules. By the regs, a maintenance ferry where the aircraft is flown in a non-standard configuration, engine out ferry on a 4 engine a/c for example, is limited to required flightcrew members. Line UAL pilots no longer see these segments as we have engineering & test pilots to fly them.

Repositioning flights can carry F/A's, and I've carried offline jumpseaters on those segments.

Charters are owned by the charter department and can make up their own rules within FAA regs.

Dedicated cargo flights, RIP, also had the ability to dictate who flew on the aircraft sans F/As
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Old 11-28-2016 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by awax
Repositioning flights can carry F/A's, and I've carried offline jumpseaters on those segments.
A normal repo flight can take any company non-rev, up to 19.
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Old 11-28-2016 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by awax
Yeah, I think you guys are talking about different scenarios. A repositioning flight, a charter, and a maintenance ferry all have different rules. By the regs, a maintenance ferry where the aircraft is flown in a non-standard configuration, engine out ferry on a 4 engine a/c for example, is limited to required flightcrew members. Line UAL pilots no longer see these segments as we have engineering & test pilots to fly them.

Repositioning flights can carry F/A's, and I've carried offline jumpseaters on those segments.

Charters are owned by the charter department and can make up their own rules within FAA regs.

Dedicated cargo flights, RIP, also had the ability to dictate who flew on the aircraft sans F/As
Yep was talking a routine ferry flight including to a mx facility of course in a standard configuration and plenty of those flights show up.
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Old 11-29-2016 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
I'm looking at that section. I don't see offline jumpseaters or offline non-revs mentioned on the list of approved passengers. I'd like to think a JS would be considered on its own terms and under the guise of the JS protocol but I wouldn't be surprised to get pushback in that one.

Doesn't matter in this case anyway, as the flight appears to be a positioning flight for a NFL charter and is presumably under the control of the charter department.

Even a UA pilot would have to move mountains to get authority from the charter department if that is the case.
Not true. I've carried friends on empty ferry flights before that I was working and all I did was contact the charter department. No hassle at all.
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Old 11-29-2016 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Not true. I've carried friends on empty ferry flights before that I was working and all I did was contact the charter department. No hassle at all.
Was this recently?

On one of my last MLB ferry flights (late summer 2015) they denied a UA jumpseater. FODM was no help so it was a pretty rediculous situation.

I'm glad that others have had a better experience so there's hope.
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Old 11-30-2016 | 12:01 AM
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BTW, for those who may not know, UAL ALPA safety policy prohibits line pilots from ferrying/flying a plane that cannot carry passengers for any reason. That's what the flight test guys are for.
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Old 11-30-2016 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
BTW, for those who may not know, UAL ALPA safety policy prohibits line pilots from ferrying/flying a plane that cannot carry passengers for any reason. That's what the flight test guys are for.
Just wondering if you could post the source of that info. I can find nothing on the UAL ALPA site.

Recently did a MX drop off that was 'prohibited' from carry any passengers. Due to it going straight to the hangar.
Also, on the LCAL side, I had done a maintenance flight around the patch to check for leaks around an emergency exit. Would do it again but now wonder if it is 'prohibited' or if it would even get put into open time~

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