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bigfatdaddy

01-31-2017 07:19 AM

Revisionist history

Hilltopper89

01-31-2017 10:24 AM

I just had training buy a trip off me and all of the sudden my PTC outweighs my Line Value by 4 hrs. Not sure how this math works...

89Pistons

01-31-2017 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89 (Post 2291923)

I just had training buy a trip off me and all of the sudden my PTC outweighs my Line Value by 4 hrs. Not sure how this math works...

Your line value goes down because the trip is taken off your line. PTC stays the same because it's protected.

Hilltopper89

01-31-2017 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 89Pistons (Post 2291942)

Your line value goes down because the trip is taken off your line. PTC stays the same because it's protected.

Thanks. I'm just not sure how line value goes down 4 hrs by removing a 10 hr trip with no deadheads.

pilotgolfer

01-31-2017 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89 (Post 2291980)

Thanks. I'm just not sure how line value goes down 4 hrs by removing a 10 hr trip with no deadheads.

It doesn't matter...PTC will drive your pay for the month.

RomeoHotel

01-31-2017 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 2291755)

You just aren't happy about anything. Is your W2 really a lot less now compared to those grand ol' CAL days of jetway extensions and taking your crew rest in a row in coach. Isn't that the barometer of a "giant" paycut, dollars in your account? The past is the past. Let it go. I hear L-UA guys complaining about that lost vacation day like it's worth a years salary. Everyone needs to be looking forward as that's where the trouble awaits.

I asked the original question to clarify the change from an earlier contract. I think awareness of anything we've given up in the past is a big part of looking forward...

757Driver

01-31-2017 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 2291755)

Lamb,

I'm actually quite thrilled to be based where I am and making almost as much as I really should be right now. Doesn't mean that we didn't settle for some not so great provisions on both sides of the fence. CAL's earlier leg by leg protection was much better than what we have today which in turn, is much better than what you had in the past. I'm for improving EVERY aspect of OUR contract, period.

Things are pretty swell but there's always room for improvement.

757Driver

01-31-2017 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 2291748)

Large paycut? How many months of the year do you have significant leg overs AND a cancellation? I had 1 last year. I keep getting reassigned for MORE time and pay....

That being said, I agree that the PTC/LV provision stinks. When you get reassigned and work more hours it's BS that time is in jeopardy until the end of the month

Happened to me probably 4 or 5 times last year but the point is, it doesn't have to be that way and we had a superior system. There's a ton of stuff that we didn't have at CAL that UAL brought to the table and I'm exceedingly grateful for those provisions. I'm sure you can come up with some items that are worse now from UAL's heyday that were an improvement for us CAL types and I'd support improving them enthusiastically.

Hilltopper89

01-31-2017 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 2291990)

It doesn't matter...PTC will drive your pay for the month.

Absolutely...I just wish I knew why. No way of picking anything up unless I want to work 4 hrs for free....which ain't happening.

Take Priority

01-31-2017 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89 (Post 2292140)

Absolutely...I just wish I knew why. No way of picking anything up unless I want to work 4 hrs for free....which ain't happening.

Not true in this case. If you pick a trip up PTC and LV will both increase by the credit value of trip picked up. When FBO'd.

Only in the case of line award LV below MPG or Vacation causing LV to be below MPG is there a gap of working for free.

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