Speaking of public perception:

Y'all know this is a public forum, right? And anybody who has an internet connection can read this thread and witness how "professional" you are in your conversation and personal interaction, right?

I've seen the video and read the article, and for the life of me I cannot find factual information that tells me about the conversation between the Captain and the gate agent before the Captain boarded the airplane. I don't know what the gate agent said, or what the gate agent asked, or how the Captain answered, or how she explained her casual attire. I don't know why she showed up late, or how she explained it to anyone before she got on the airplane. I don't know if anybody else knew or had any reason to know about the stresses in her personal life prior to her intercom announcement.

There have been an awful lot of assumptions made about all that in this thread, and I think any one of us in her situation would not appreciate the assumptions and without doubt misinformation that has been created.


What I do know for sure is that the video concludes with the PA announcement, "Flight attendants please DISARM doors, flight attendants DISARM doors, crosscheck, standby for ALL CALL."

The system worked. Pilots are human, too. How would you want to be treated if it was you?






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Most pilots are caught after blowing into the machine , therefore they are at work, and at that point the statement comes out that they have a problem or their ALPA rep tells them to make that statement when they are called.

Please don't post things you don't know about

Yes it does apply, so it is never too late to help save someone's career, and even their life. Obviously, the earlier they are intercepted, the less difficult it will be. This is one area where unions, management, and the FAA are in general agreement.

If it is determined that she is in need of help because she has depression, adjustment disorder or something similar she can utilize the services of the EAP program to get help.

If it is depression that she is battling there are four SSRI's that would allow a pilot to regain their first class medical but it will be a long long long long road. The pilot in question will meet with the EAP, then their AME. Next stop is an aviation psychiatrist, then likely a clinical psychiatrist. The clinical psychiatrist is the one that can prescribe medication if they believe it is needed.

That individual will then spend lots of time talking to a counselor. Once they have shown that they are stable on a set dose of an SSRI for a minimum of 6 months they can begin the process of getting their medical back. Their counselor, clinical psychiatrist, aviation psychiatrist must recommend to the AME that they are ready to start the process. Next comes a cognitive screening test and if necessary further psychiatric review. If all of that comes back good they will will get a standard FAA Medical examination that will allow a HIMS AME to sponsor the pilot to the FAA to get their medical back. Their entire medical file is sent to Oak City for review. From there it is forwarded to Washington, DC for the final 5 levels of review.

If granted a special issuance they will have regimented follow ups with everyone from the UAL EAP, their chief pilot, psychiatrist and AME.

All told, if they choose to come back on an SSRI they will lose about 12 to 18 months before they will be flight deck qualified again.

Slats is saying 1 thing and it's what I said earlier. You don't just wake up and say well damn iv lost my mind so let's not go to work today. If it's a true mental break there is no longer conscious decision making.

So whether or not the FFD box gets checked really doesn't mean anything as there is no longer an ability to self assess.

Did the phrase "it is my understanding" not make it clear to you that it was something I was not sure of? Quite different from something of more definitive type statement.

And no the examples of pilots getting caught that I know of and are public knowledge lately they were caught (suspected) long before the machine which only verified the suspicion. Define caught.

Please don't post things you don't know about.

I'm not disputing that whatsoever nor did I infer that. I did emphasize it will probably be something that the lawyers will bring up. Nothing more nothing less.

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This. + 1,000,000. Excellent excellent post.

At last, a rational post about a truly sad incident of one of our own in a crisis meltdown. I have no clue why the pilot showed up without the proper uniform but it does say something about her mental state.
Give it a rest please.

I have seen the video and it is an unfortunate situation that she showed up to work in that condition. Most pilots would know if they are not in the state of mind to fly when faced with a bad event that occurred in their personal life.. What concerns me about her, is that she choose to come to work in a very bad state of mind. I also think this event will be the straw that broke the camels back, and all pilots will be required to pass a psych evaluation in the near future.