Contract extension
 

Looks like TA is out. COL for pay and A plan, but don’t have all the details yet.

COL?? Sounds like good news!!??

Contract extension
 

Extends and improves the flat dollar defined benefit, improves vacation allocation (and codifies existence of industry-leading OCV for a second consecutive agreement), maintains our fantastic health insurance benefits, and provides annual raises that we otherwise wouldn’t get for years while UPS deals with the expiring Teamsters contract.

DAL, UAL and AAL can pattern off this for their contracts currently under negotiation, which we can use AFTER the Teamsters National Master Agreement is resolved.

I think everyone should be happy about our A plan continuing to be improved, especially since FedEx seems to have hit a brick wall with theirs, but as our fleet trends heavier I think pay probably needs to jump a bit more than this provides. Still waiting to be able to watch video explanation. I’m not complaining, but it’s always easy to ask why we didn’t get more. Happy to hear we didn’t give anything.

Interesting no initial bump? I would think 12-15% then the COL raises to follow especially with all the contracts up in the industry (DAL, UA, AA) . I think United got 13% and a Delta snap up.

Thanks for the explanation still on the outside looking in. It sounds like good improvements.

The challenge is different when everyone at your company is making widebody pay. When a high percentage of dudes on 2nd year are breaking $200k, convincing a mediator that you need a big pay bump can be a challenge. Not to mention improving the pension when ALPA has rolled over and played dead on the subject.

That would make top captain pay $350/hr in 2021 and $361/hr in 2022.

Could be a little lagging based on others moving forward and our weighted average increasing with the 747-8 additions.

Makes total sense didn't think of that. Thanks

If we’d been negotiating for 4 years there might be a 12-15% bump. But this is an extension. The rates make sense

I think the question that needs to be answered is does this bump adequately address the bump in average jet size since 2016. Hopefully, the servers will work long enough to actually watch the video today.:cool:

I'm watching it now FYI

I think the real question that needs to be asked is, whats happening at UPS in 2023, now all contracts are set to expire in 2023, except for the flight dispatchers. MX, ground side, and now pilots all expire in 2023.

Watch the video, 50 minutes, 165mb.

Worked great by downloading first.

After watching the video, this makes a lot more sense. Long story short, until the Teamsters get their new deal we will be sidelined by the NMB. They won’t take long since they can strike the day their contract expires. This keeps up with or slightly exceeds status quo and sets some useful precedents for when we restart negotiations in 2022.

I want to see the remaining videos for the TA and attend the briefing, but I am much more in favor of what the EB has done now. This will also enable us to use other airlines new contracts as enhanced leverage.

isn't there also some kind of pension contribution or something for management that ends in 2023? id have to go digging through the archived news articles but I remember something about that happening also. 2023 will be a big year it seems.

Contract extension
 

With this extension, a UPS FO will make more than a CAPTAIN same YOS at all airline jobs except the 3 Legacies plus Southwest. [emoji15]

Management pilots will have their pensions frozen effective 2023.

JB A320 captains would make more. As would JB A220 captains.

What is min guarantee at JB?

It’s 81.25 hrs /calendar month at UPS (75 hrs/two-week pay period, 13 pay periods/calendar year).

Not sure if the #s on APC for JB are accurate, but based on those a 6yr A320 captain would gross $17150/month at min guarantee and a UPS 6yr FO would gross $17175 at min under the new TA.

With A & B plans UPS is def a lucrative job, just have to know what you are getting yourself into. Personally I love it, but it’s probably not for everyone.

I'm assuming you are talking 2023 at the end of the TA??

In 2023 at 6 Jetblue A320 Capt would make $254.90 (if still at current contract rates which end in 2021)
with a 75 hour guarantee ... so they would make $19,117

(not trying to get a ****ing contest started, just trying to put out info as accurate as possible)

and that’s why so many guys from JetBlue wind up here.

JB min guarantee is 70 hrs for line holders.

Accurate info is the name of the game. I misstated the UPS guarantee, it’s 75hrs/four-week pay period, not two week. 81.25/cal month. 75 per two-weeks would be double awesome (as long as you didn’t have to actually work that much).

Correct, but a six year captain wouldn’t be a line holder. They’d still be on reserve.
A JB captain would make more, but the fact that it’s even close....
And our (JB) schedules aren’t exactly great either, we are already flying redeyes all the time.

Hopefully, you guys can leverage this to get big gains on your next contract. Your captains should be able to comfortably crush our FOs on pay.

than we can leverage that for our next contract.:)

At JetBlue all open time goes on top of guarantee. Voluntary reserve pays 150%, 175% if called. And VDA(voluntary day off assignment, sort of like a JA) pays 200%.

Not if you’re reserve...
just adding that tidbit that needs to be addressed in C2022.

ALL open time pick up at UPS when on reserve goes on top of 75 guarantee, not the case for line holders, hence Reserve doesn’t go as junior as other places.

Guess my comment was a UPS FO can make same or very close to JB CAPTAIN pay. Telling.

Why would UPS extend the current contract with pay increses? Would it not benefit them to keep us at the 2020 rates till 2025 and then give us a raise? (since a contract normally takes 5 years to complete) Im curious, what does UPS gain in giving us an extension?

I’m not even at UPS, but maybe watch the union videos Explaining all of that??

Short story is that nothing is going to happen with us until the teamsters thing is settled and they don't want the public noise from an unhappy pilot group during that process. I guess that is worth 270,000,000 to them. Some of that is money that they'd have to pay in retro anyway.

yes they do but our union IT department has been outsourced to the same people that ran the iowa caucus. Maybe he wasn't able to watch.

The videos were all working last night. They provide a well thought out explanation for why this is good for us and what UPS gets out of it.

The two-person IPA IT department works very hard and recently upgraded internal hardware...but 2900ish people trying to watch a 40-something minute HD video choked the broadband provider.

Can someone post the new pay rates, or percent pay raise, and highlight changes?

In the interest of pattern bargaining, pilots over at AA, UA and DL are wondering. Thanks!

I don't think they want it public at this time but perhaps your union has some details.

Suffice to say, you should be able to argue that it’s wrong how the lowly box haulers are making more than the cattle haulers. Hopefully, you crush our compensation on your next contract and we can go back in 2023 for alot more. I’m pretty sure ALPA already has our numbers.

Haha, that’s funny...

PS. So who won??

Protip- longtouch, download. The 50 min vid is under 200mb. Watch at leisure offline, no waiting...