Agree, the 400 and -8 are the heavy lifters, and great for the heavy China routes. With the huge misstep of turning down the last 4 -8s, the converted 777 will be plentiful and fill the niche the MD does well in. (I also wonder if weights get "bought up" as the conversion gets some time under it's belt)

So we are not getting the last 4 of the 28 we ordered? Or were we offered 4 more and we said nah?

Sorry. Out of the loop


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I believe we turned 4 additional 8’s down

Atlas grabbed them up when we said no thanks.

The converted 777 freighter will carry more bulk (obviously) due to it be 33’ longer. However, that equates to a substantial increase in BOW vs. the factory freighter plus the -300ER has a lower MLW than the factory freighter which means less usable payload at a higher fuel burn due to the higher BOW. It will be cheaper to acquire though.

Article is a dead link. What did it refer to?

Thank you! That’s what I thought I’d heard, but I flew with a captain last week who said she “canceled the last 4”. Think he just misspoke! Would have been myopic to cancel anything IMHO. Should have taken the last 4. Sometimes bigger is better.


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the ordering of the ejets

https://www.ttnews.com/articles/ups-...een-facilities

doesn't an airline need to place orders for new jets ahead of time, before you actually need them?

3 years is not very far away in aviation terms.

introducing a new aircraft model (777, etc.) into the fleet, doesn't that require FAA sign-off of the training program, revisions to ops-specs, sims, maintenance policies, etc? again, 3 years.

will be interesting to see how this plays out

That could already be happening. Or cold be just more 767s.