Which also means we at UPS work more! Really? My buddies at the Big 3 work 9-12 days a month. We Work 13-14 days per 13 pay periods. Not 9-14 days per month times 12. I have no idea why this is so hard to understand. UPS is getting huge productiveity out of us. This is also why they build one long 13-14 day 88 hour lines. Less sick calls. Forced Overtime at straight hourly pay.

Yep. Count me in the 150% for anything above 75 crowd. Also would like to see any OT pickup at 150% (and don’t even get me started about picking up for ‘free’ if you’re under 75!), and JAs at 200%. Add those to the LONG list of wants for this contract cycle. We’ve got a lot of lost time to make up & I hope we don’t lose sight of the fact that we are operating nigh on ten years without any scheduling or QOL improvements and even longer if you’re on the international side as we saw virtually none of our concerns addressed in 2016. EB says “industry leading” & we shouldn’t settle for less.

As a fellow turn line bidder....morning turn lines are "working hard" at 55hr block/pp.

Day flying is too much work.

Our lines average less block time than the majority of passenger carrier lines, which is how the company defines "productivity". They can do this because passenger networks allow more block to be covered since they operate much differently than we do. Obviously international fleets (especially the whale) can have closer block-to-credit ratios.

100% onboard with more/better soft pay....and pay factors don't just put more money in one's pocket, but can have a sizable influence on trip and line construction.

Rumor is that we’ve just had the 4th member of the July class (15 total) leave for greener pastures.

Good. I mean, I’m sorry it didn’t work out for that individual but it’s concrete things like people not showing up for class or boxes not moving that actually prompt UPS to change their asinine practices.

I have a feeling first year attrition here isn't good.

If you are expecting first year attrition to force change… I wouldn’t. Short of new hires walking en mass two days after the start of every class, it just won’t matter. My guess is the vast majority of our new hires who leave got a job offer that will eliminate their commute. Our first year pay is a bad joke, but it’s not why people leave.

Every airline has ship jumpers for various reasons. If they started in July most of them probably didn’t even get to finish OE much less experience the schedules. Definitely didn’t get here, take a look around and decide to bail - would require applications, interviews and waiting for class dates. These guys had already done that so the intention/option was already there.

In August - 9 one year or less pilots quit. 5 retired.