Contract convo
 

So we can let the hiring thread get back to any hiring info that may come up..
heres a contract thread for peeps who are dying to express themselves. 😉

I want more money,

more A plan,

more time off,

better Reserve rules,

less fatiguing schedules,

etc.

Register your thoughts in the negotiations survey when it comes out in a few weeks.

Early arrival pay paid same as late arrival. (for when they revise me to show 24 hours early or take a 20k pay cut with no ability to pickup)

Home basing - i'll even pay for the privledge, lets say deduct 50% of the cost of tickets out of my paycheck if you opt into home basing. That was domicle folks don't feel like they got shafted.

No more UPS deadheads - all commercial

50% pay hike

Schedule change - 200% until back on original schedule I Bid. No bull**** 2 hr premium to fly some new 2 week trip.

Pay 2hr premium for every small change, even if I don't fly it and they change it again, pay pay pay every time my JCT dings.

Agreed - that is my list also.

But I would reverse the order.

I think where you live and what you bid drives the prioritization. Folks who commute live a very different life than folks who live in domicile. Line holders have different wants than career reserve bidders. I don’t envy the sausage makers. It’s also why more money is far more common than transformative work rule changes.

FDX Travel rules. And UPS CANNOT take CML's away that were on one's line just because a change in the pairing. Total BS.

Eleven more days to complete your Negotiations survey...

3 Things that are a must!!

1. New Music on the VRU hold line.

2. Optional alternate unifrom trousers in leater to match that sweet jacket.

3. The ability to downbid back to the right seat

Public service announcement.

Don't forget that even though music is playing, you are still being recorded.

It's bitten guys before.

Whut????


Filler

when you are on hold, the microphone on your phone is still live and the line is still being recorded.

So if (for example, while on hold) you say something disparaging about the scheduler, it will be heard and recorded, and you could be disciplined.

BTW pretty much all companies/customer service phone lines operate this way.

This is why it’s critical to hit the mute button and leave it on until the scheduler is talking again. That way you can give healthy commentary to how you are getting screwed while you wait for the scheduler to find his ass with both hands.

Oh yea, we need our medicals paid for by the company like every other major out there. Jeez

Everybody has their own priorities. That one is pretty low on my personal list of things that need to get fixed, but I understand the underlying sentiment. Perhaps a yearly stipend that could be used for work related items: medicals, uniforms, luggage, headsets, etc, could be a catch all for this kind of thing.

They pay for expedited passport renewals....why not medicals?

It wouldn’t hurt my feelings if they paid for the medical. They already pay for uniforms (except the black jacket), luggage, and headsets (el cheapo ones).

Someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe on Boeings those telex 750s are required equipment. At a previous airline I destroyed a pair by running them over with the seat, and the mechanic had to track one down because it was on the equipment list. So don’t give the company too much credit for buying us cheap (community use) headsets…

The survey was mildly disappointing.

The weighting of our Contract desires? How about industry tops in all Articles?

I hope this is not a serious post. If the company paying for your medical is on your radar you are not seeing the big picture. Must be bidding top 1-2% in category.

if it’s important to you put it in the survey. I’ve heard so many people say “that’s not high up on the list of my priorities” or “we’ll never get that” when someone presents an idea. If it’s something you feel that’s important put it out there. This was one for me also, SWA gets a stipend for medicals iirc.

Light at the end of the tunnel?!?
 

UPS sees sales, profit growth coming out of ‘difficult’ 2023

By: Kiel Porter | Mar 26 2024 at 12:29 PM | Air Cargo

United Parcel Service Inc. expects sales and profit to grow over the next three years as the courier overcomes soft demand for package delivery coming out of the pandemic.

Annual consolidated revenue will climb as high as $114 billion in 2026, UPS said Tuesday in a statement detailing financial targets. That would mark a sharp rise from last year’s total of about $91 billion. The company also expects its adusted operating margin to surpass 13% in three years.

“After coming off a difficult market in 2023, the small package industry is poised to return to growth in 2024 and beyond,” Chief Executive Officer Carol Tomé said in the statement. The company intends to target “premium markets” while focusing on improved efficiency and productivity.

The long-term outlook shows how the company is contending with the challenges of flagging volume and high labor expenses after reaching a costly new union agreement last year. Shipping demand has been impacted as shoppers buy more in stores post-pandemic and inflation crimps purchasing power.

The shares rose 2.8% before regular trading in New York.

Tomé has pushed a strategic plan since taking the reins in 2020 to become “better not bigger,” an initiative to focus on more profitable business potentially at the expense of volume growth. The effort helped UPS’ market value roughly double in her first two years.

The courier has faced increased competition lately, including from the United States Postal Service, which has hurt margins post-pandemic.

The company agreed to a new union labor deal last year that increases wages and benefits by an average of 3.3% over five years, with the biggest increase coming in 2024 with a 10% jump. The deal also sees upwards adjustments to pension and health benefits and other expenses, including a new paid holiday.

UPS said in January that it would cut 12,000 white-collar jobs — about 14% of its full- and part-time managers — to cut costs.

The company also said earlier this year it would explore the sale of its Coyote truck brokerage business. That came after UPS announced a deal to buy MNX Global Logistics in November for an undisclosed sum to build out its health-care transportation business, having previously bought Marken in 2016.

After the surveys closed, has the union published openers for your upcoming negotiations? What are some of the prominent goals or desires of the pilot group? Money over QOL, vice versa? Any mention of two pilot flight decks? That would make your already solid scope a lot stronger.

We dont do that...silent until TA

👆. If you release results, makes job easier for company to target specific items to achieve desired result of 50+1.

Lots of people (including me) are frustrated by this. However, putting all that info out there would cripple our NC’s ability to achieve our goals, so I deal with my frustration and look forward to an industry leading contract. My only fear is how much ground needs to be made up across the board. Scheduling, pay, pension, B plan, etc. it all needs improvements. At the end of the day, the NC has to fight this for us, not much we can do to move the needle.

As you get closer to your openers, just remember to look to your southwest...that little town on the river with the big sporting goods store pyramid. DON'T do what they're doing!

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filler

Talking to the people that will be in the room, I beg to differ. We have a mature contract that needs tweaks, not home runs. Which provides less negotiating capital on many articles, rather focus on just a couple. Money is a given, work rules will be the big fight.

Money is never a given and work rules will be a huge fight. Our pay will need to increase by roughly 25% to keep pace with the legacies, our pension by roughly 20% to keep pace with inflation since 2016 contract signing, and you are familiar with work rule improvements desired (some of which are win/win and some not so much). A lot rides on the macro economic environment and who is in the CEO seat. Carole appears to be reasonably amenable to rewarding labor. However, that can change quickly. Long story short, I’m not counting my chickens just yet.

She rewarded labor while automating a bunch of them out of a job. We should be in a better position as far as that goes.

This. Anyone who thinks any part of this contract will be a "given" is either very new and inexperienced, or kidding themselves. We've given up a full negotiation cycle. The company surely sees this as a huge win and I can guarantee that they are NOT planning on allowing us to make up two contracts' worth of gains. We have a huge hill to climb and are facing an entrenched, well armed, determined, and veteran adversary. I expect this thing will be a huge fight & will be pleasantry surprised if we have anything remotely worth voting on within the next five years. We should all be prepared for the long fight & come fully to terms with the difficulties of the road ahead.

Why did the company agree to early negotiations?

Certianly a valid and intriguing question & one that has many of us wondering. Perhaps there is something on the horizon that will require buy-in from the union & UPS actually intends to move the contract along. Maybe we really are dealing in a kinder, gentler, more collaborative environment. But forgive me if I have my doubts. History tells us that this company doesn't give anything away and even when we think we've made progress, they tend to move the goalposts on us. Maybe they think they can get us for cheap and scare us into signing a substandard contract while the FedEx pilots are on the ropes & the doomscrollers are fixated on perceived economic & geopolitical storm clouds. In any case, my list of needed improvements is long & my expectations for a quick outcome are low. Call me a cynic, but I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than dismayed when we still don't have a contract in the summer of 2029. I'm also prepared to wait for the right contract vs. settling for something quick and lacking. I'm hoping that's the mindset of the majority.

Probably to demonstrate to the eventual NMB that they are being cooperative.

I really hope they haven’t gamed it out that way. Agree to start negotiations early, slow roll us on everything that matters, jointly file for mediation, and then point to how they’ve been trying to help us out, but we are just unreasonably asking for dramatically better compensation than FedEx is providing.

I’m cautiously optimistic, but at the end of the day I know what it will take to get my yes vote, what I would vote no for, and what would drive me to actively campaign against a TA. Hopefully, the EB won’t endorse a TA that would result in the latter two options. They have our survey feedback, so this shouldn’t be rocket science, aside from convincing the company to sign off on a good contract. That might be rocket science.

Think about when the legacies start their next contract talks.

UPS has made it clear that they DO NOT want to bargain with the IPA and the Teamsters simultaneously. Or at least that’s what they have claimed. I’m not sure of the exact date of expiration of the Teamsters contract is and I have heard that the Teamster will not negotiate until ours is finished.

UPS has made it clear that they DO NOT want to bargain with the IPA and the Teamsters simultaneously. Or at least that’s what they have claimed. I’m not sure of the exact date of expiration of the Teamsters contract is and I have heard that the Teamster will not negotiate until ours is finished.

Of course they don't... why would they want to give the labor that much leverage?

Teamsters sure as **** won't wait around for IPA to finish negotiations, not sure why IPA waited for the teamsters to finish.