This type of flying overall sounds horrible, but then again it does sound like both sides have flying opportunities they prefer and able to attain it so that is a win.

Sounds good to me. Get in, quick nap, go to gym for a workout, lunch and off you go.

also not terrible if you live in domicile. You can do all of that at home!

I enjoy them. You can either take naps, hit the gym, and eat lunch (not in an airplane) or fill those same hours flying two additional legs for the day.

Where's this gym you all speak of? The only time I've found these ridiculously long sits not to be painful is in DFW when you get a day room.

it makes for long days. I just finished a week of day flying and I am more tired than the night sort stuff. I can usually catch a nap and relax before my next leg during the sort turns. The great part is, our schedules have something for everyone.

still waiting to see how the mail contract affects our schedules..

As I read through down some comments above, just got curious about asia trip packages..

Understood Z side flying means international at UPS.

Is it usually consisted of 10-14 days of trips flying only in asia region?

Starting and ending trips in Aaia by reposition?

How senior so do you usually have to be able to pick it up?

Let's say I am a 74ANC pilot but acuatlly live in one of Asian country, does UPS let me deviate my first deadhead trip to day 1 workplace from my acutal home instead of showing up to ANC for a deadhead to work?

Not only Asia. Europe as well, with plenty of Canada, Mexico and domestic.

Varies by fleet/seniority. Not difficult on 74 and deviation is definitely allowed e.g. you live in HKG, and first leg is DH from ANC. You would just show to fly in HKG on the day your trip departs. Same if your final leg is a DH from HKG…you’re finished early, but paid for the extra day.

Fully understood. Thank you for your explanation.

What if I live in HKG, and my first leg is DH from ANC to NRT, just as an example.


Company put me on a company metal or commercial flight from HKG to NRT as well if I request a deviation?

For clarity, Z is 75/76 International based in SDF.
The 74 has 2 bases, ANC and SDF.

I am on a 2 week Z Asia trip now.
Started with DH from SDF to ANC.
Then DH to ICN.
I finish with commercial back to SDF.


The company will schedule you as listed in the bid for the trip.

If you deviate, you are on your own.

If scheduled to DH, you are free to list yourself an alternate route to get in position, but your priority may get bumped.
If the plan falls apart, you will not get disciplined, but will not get paid.
Not advisable to miss shows during first year probation.

If scheduled for a commercial, you can have travel make alternate plans with fare price restrictions.
if this plan falls apart, you are not protected.

The first question you will be asked if having travel/commuting issues wil be "are you traveling as scheduled?"