Delta vs UPS Contract Comparison
 

Given the assumptions made, this video seems squarely aimed at potential newhires and recent hires in their mid-30s or younger.

The point that one needs to consider a contract as an "entire package" is 100% valid, and why cherry-picking certain items in other CBAs to compare while omitting others is intellectually dishonest.

Delta has some good things in their current CBA - profit sharing which is worth tens of thousands of dollars *and* is pensionable into their 15% DC, and their DC having 'cash over cap' is another great benefit. Those, combined with other work rules, certainly allow DALPA pilots to 'punch above weight' on income IF they are willing to work.

We've got some good stuff in our contract, too; one might note DALPA didn't compare healthcare, as a single example.

I do think DALPA's evaluation of our vacation article is...lets say incomplete and less than objective.

I hope DALPA gets everything they want in a new contract and more, and that our Contract 2016 helps them get there - that's how pattern bargaining is supposed to work.

Thanks for sharing... Interesting for sure.

One could assume from the video DALPA is prepping their pilots for little to no change in a new contract except for hourly wages.

No amount of money can make a person happy... I fly the richest and most miserable people on earth, trust me. In the long run it is a personal choice to pursue a career goal with whom ever you feel you belong. Although pilots all perform the basic tasks of flying, the scene behind the cockpit can vary from boxes of toilet paper to airborne paratroopers, a billionaire to a refugee.

Finding a place where you 'enjoy' the type of flying goes way beyond making you a happy person rather than looking at what your retirement numbers will be.

Just my .02.


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Wow, that was an interesting piece of propoganda...

I'll take the package - gladly.
 

So many assumptions that don't hold water for "career" comparisons.

10% profit sharing into the future.

All pensionable B fund deposits over IRC limits (and paid out as non-tax deffered cash) held back to provide retirement-esque annuity.

Vacation-vacation-vacation UPS new vacation language = willy wonka golden ticket of trip drops (aka any two weeks of vaca in a pay period and you don't work - period)

Comparison counts on 18%/4.39%/4.39%/3%.... is that even tenable??

I am very worried for my DL brothers.... spin doctors at work.

I would have liked to see a yearly block to credit ratio between the groups presented to decifer who is working more for the $ and by how much - think that would have been a telling story. Also thought they should have looked at min guarantee (65 @ DAL vs. 81.3) as another potential area for improvement. Healthcare premiums and user costs add up over 30 years and it was a shame they didn't include that in their projections - it's a needed item.

Shocking how few DAL guys were wearing their lanyards the last few times I flew thru ATL. I guess the message they want to send to the negotiating table is that its more important to show who their favorite college football team is or what branch of military they flew for than getting a new contract. Still hope they knock it out of the park though!!

I credit over 1100 hours a year without trying. I don't pick up OT, and I don't take JA calls. Plus the projected profit sharing over the entire 30 career of the DAL pilot is too optimistic. I seriously doubt that over the next 30 years any of the major carriers go without a bankruptcy. =concessionary contracts/furloughs, no profit sharing then. I hope they get all they can now, because they will need it in the future. This video was inaccurate at best about the UPS contract. It left out a lot of details. It is surely meant to spin this to the pilot group.

I sure would like narrators voice to be "B#^*hing Betty". :rolleyes:

Having posted above, I'm not about to slam subject video to be "FOS".
I won't, because I don't have anything better up my sleeve, nor have I seen any real comprehensive study that has better info, or is better packaged.

Does anybody remember the AIR, Inc. Airline Salary Surveys from ~ 15 to 20 years ago ? I thought that it was the best study that I'd ever seen, but even then recognized that it was flawed to a certain extent. Then 911 and bankruptcy gutting of many contracts blew the assumed career values to smithereens. Then I recall rationalizing "hey, I'll cherry pick some OPF trips, and move my career value up a few notches."

Then the anecdotal posts that I see here on APC are just as suspect. Things like FO's on same equipment making more than Captains. A moderate seniority SW FO scores a trifecta of more time off, better QOL, and (I vaguely recall) a 15% or more bump in TFP. I don't doubt those things happened, but what percentage of any pilot group will be in a position to consistently score those kinds of deals throughout the entirety of a 20 to 30 year career ? Then, how many people are like the UPS pilot who pretty much flies their awarded line and makes pretty much in the ballpark of ALV ? Any study take those nuance differences into consideration ?

Funny, reminds me of the Air Inc seminar I went to over 20 years ago. I was listening to Kit Darby rant about why would ANYBODY want to work for FedEx. Their pay and pension was far inferior to the majors, according to him. He was quite disdainful, but I'm glad I decided that he was full of BS.

I guess Air Inc went out of business, too.

How do they figure a 30 year career at UPS or Delta is worth over $12 million? That means one would need to earn an average of $400k a year for 30 years which clearly is NOT the case. Very misleading numbers on the career earnings part.