Army80

I thought we were going to get the E-190. The link referenced the 195.

Also, the numbers on the 717 were not accurate. (i.e. thrust and T/O weight are greater than listed)

I do think our pay rates are goofy and some type of banding should be looked at for the next TA.

Purple Drank

Bucking Bar's ALPA prospects fizzled ignominiously after he hitched his wagon to the AF/KLM grievance con, along with NA15.

It appears that he is attmpting to parley his stint as the scope chairman at DALPA into a position in management.

sailingfun

So far out of all the people you keep claiming are management or going to management you have been batting 000. Not much of a average!

notEnuf

The thread is titled E195. Management sent a TA with pay parity to the pilots, but if you would like a few cents less similar to the 737-900 vs. 800 and 700 you could make a donation to the flower fund or a similar charity. Or keep it and call it a per diem multiplier.

It does what it does means:
717 takes 110 people 1250 miles at 438kts
E195 takes 125 people 1700 miles at 470kts

Thrust and weight vary because newer airplanes are lighter requiring less thrust for more payload, meaning even greater efficiencies. The management bias of moving a lower scale up haunts us every time we negotiate a rate for an airplane we don't currently operate.

Lets just get the C series and change the playbook to 737 rates. These aren't your fathers RJs

http://planes.axlegeeks.com/compare/...mbardier-CS300

Army80

I give up, why are we talking about the E-195?

notEnuf

I assume you are familiar with the Ft. Campbell vs Ft. Knox rivalry. If you were going to go to a game would you pay more to watch Ft. Campbell or Ft. Knox? The Ft. Knox games have less value because they admittedly suck. If you could only set one ticket price for both teams games would you use Ft. Campbell's team or Ft. Knox's team as the draw and justification for the price.

From a guy who trained at an armor base, we um... I mean they, ain't all dumb.

Some reference material.

Game Details: Fort Knox @ Fort Campbell Football 9/18/15

Campbell vs. Knox - The Fort Campbell Courier: Sports

forgot to bid

I took a 717 from ATL to a random place in the Caribbean. Full load. Full fuel (required an alternate). It was 950 miles on paper, 750 straight distance. I've flown it on another route (JFK-MSP) 900 miles straight distance and it was 110 pax and full fuel. Seems to me the practical range as we operate it is around 800-950 nm, and we generally aim to land with 6000lbs of fuel remaining before alternate fuel. Sometimes we're in the 5000s.

It's just what I see. I don't know much about what JB's E190s can do but I know they were flying LGB to IAD. That's a 1979 nm straight line distance. The ERJ-145XR's 50-seaters I used to fly flew IAD-IAH and IAH-PSP, those are right around 1100nm.

My guess is the E190 has a lot better range than the 717 with nearly the same passenger load. They're good airplanes.

And as the joke I love to tell goes: "Hey you guys on the 717 doing a lot of RJ routes now?" "Uh no, we can't fly that far."

asacimesp

The longest legs we were doing at US Airways were PHL to IAH, AUS, SAT. About 1200-1300nm. No problems carrying full load of pax and alternate fuel.

usmc-sgt

About the farthest youll see the JB 190s pushed is KAUS-KBOS which is somewhere around 1800 (nm flown) or around 1500nm straight line. Also DFW and HOU to BOS daily.

While it does these daily, the company has stated they would prefer to see it in the 6-800 mile range.

Army80

Even though I was based at Campbell, I was almost always somewhere else with the 160th.

I would really like to see some type of pay banding in the next TA. We have so many smaller jets that have little or no reason for a difference in pay (IMO). Most guys/gals will spend a large part of their time at Delta in an airplane that has less than 150 seats. We are a big airline, with not that many big airplanes......

I was able to attend a road show in NRT, I believe the guys said that the company didn't want to get into pay banding. As a guy that just "pulls the wagon", it would seem like they could save a bunch on training/OE if guys stayed put longer. You think they would want to end all that "training abuse".

FWIW, the 717 T/O weight and thrust used in the link was about 10% shy of what we get out of our 717's. (Going to school soon for the 717A and have been in the books; only 18 years to upgrade). Looking forward to flying with the new folks and flying shorter trips.

Go Army!