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11-23-2011, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by FedElta
How is training sequenced for the different categories ! Ie: AE, VD, MD. I couldn't find contract language that covers this part of our AE process.
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11-23-2011, 06:04 AM
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AE's train top down, ie. the senior guys get trained/converted before the junior guys. The MD's go from bottom up. I'm not sure at all about the Voluntary Displacements...? Who goes when?
Here's a little 'gotcha' I learned the hard way a long time ago. Let's say you bid an AE thinking you will be a line holder. Well...depending on where you shake out in the new category, seniority wise, you could be trained and converted and...ON RESERVE...while guys JUNIOR to you are still on their old equipment, awaiting training.
Meanwhile, you are commuting to reserve, waiting for all those junior guys to be trained and converted. This happens quite a bit when ever there is a new category, ie. the NYC A320 in this bid. So, given there is a 12mo. conversion window in this bid, a "senior" A320 bidder could do 11 mo. on reserve, waiting for the junior guys to be trained.
Here's a little 'gotcha' I learned the hard way a long time ago. Let's say you bid an AE thinking you will be a line holder. Well...depending on where you shake out in the new category, seniority wise, you could be trained and converted and...ON RESERVE...while guys JUNIOR to you are still on their old equipment, awaiting training.
Meanwhile, you are commuting to reserve, waiting for all those junior guys to be trained and converted. This happens quite a bit when ever there is a new category, ie. the NYC A320 in this bid. So, given there is a 12mo. conversion window in this bid, a "senior" A320 bidder could do 11 mo. on reserve, waiting for the junior guys to be trained.
11-23-2011, 06:11 AM
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A stupid question. Is the aircraft training materials PC only, or can a non boot camped MAC work?
11-23-2011, 06:13 AM
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I got a friend who got an MD to a different domicile but she staying on the same equipment. Do simple domicile swaps take affect sooner rather than later since a training event isn't involved?
11-23-2011, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Speaking of cars, I kid you not, the boss' airport car in the hangar:
My understanding was the price was $300K.
My understanding was the price was $300K.
11-23-2011, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dragon
Section 22 of the contract covers this depending on which category you fall into. I think you're an MD so page 22-9 talks about it. With MDs, training is done in inverse seniority order.
11-23-2011, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom
Scambo ... Agree totally.
I've got an '02 F-350 with the 7.3 and six speed. I ordered it right after 9/11 and waited about three months.
I really like the truck ....
I've got an '02 F-350 with the 7.3 and six speed. I ordered it right after 9/11 and waited about three months.
I really like the truck ....
I bought an 11 F150 after flying up to Detroit, attending the EB tear down event and meeting Ford's Director of V6 Powertrain Development. I've had a 24.1 MPG tank and have averaged 19.7 with towing and a lot of stop and start, back up, running around real estate stuff.
... and to keep the thread on topic, the F150 is the best all around vehicle for a Delta pilot. It is faster than it should be (for the"when can you get here" short calls) has plenty of room for bags, is economical and has terrifice resale value (a furlough hedge) and it gives you instant credibility as a contractor (since most of us have extra jobs, are in the "real estate business" or are slum lords of one ilk or another).
11-23-2011, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
AE's train top down, ie. the senior guys get trained/converted before the junior guys. The MD's go from bottom up. I'm not sure at all about the Voluntary Displacements...? Who goes when?
Here's a little 'gotcha' I learned the hard way a long time ago. Let's say you bid an AE thinking you will be a line holder. Well...depending on where you shake out in the new category, seniority wise, you could be trained and converted and...ON RESERVE...while guys JUNIOR to you are still on their old equipment, awaiting training.
Meanwhile, you are commuting to reserve, waiting for all those junior guys to be trained and converted. This happens quite a bit when ever there is a new category, ie. the NYC A320 in this bid. So, given there is a 12mo. conversion window in this bid, a "senior" A320 bidder could do 11 mo. on reserve, waiting for the junior guys to be trained.
Here's a little 'gotcha' I learned the hard way a long time ago. Let's say you bid an AE thinking you will be a line holder. Well...depending on where you shake out in the new category, seniority wise, you could be trained and converted and...ON RESERVE...while guys JUNIOR to you are still on their old equipment, awaiting training.
Meanwhile, you are commuting to reserve, waiting for all those junior guys to be trained and converted. This happens quite a bit when ever there is a new category, ie. the NYC A320 in this bid. So, given there is a 12mo. conversion window in this bid, a "senior" A320 bidder could do 11 mo. on reserve, waiting for the junior guys to be trained.
Normally, pilots who hold: a. VDs will be scheduled for training in seniority order prior to pilots who hold MDs from the same posting and from the same category. MDs from the same posting and from the same category will be scheduled for training in inverse seniority order.
Originally Posted by Delta1067
I got a friend who got an MD to a different domicile but she staying on the same equipment. Do simple domicile swaps take affect sooner rather than later since a training event isn't involved?
Originally Posted by jherk02
For what it is worth, the Memphis MDs were told that they could use their seniority to bid when they converted (ie, in seniority order) per LOA #29. Although the automatic system is not in place yet, crew resources will manually process the request. I'm pretty sure this only applies to the MEM MDs.
11-23-2011, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Of what is available now, the F150 with EcoBoost is just unbeatable. Can tow 11,500 pounds, rip a 14 second quarter mile and deliver 22 to 24 miles per gallon with six people in the cab.
I bought an 11 F150 after flying up to Detroit, attending the EB tear down event and meeting Ford's Director of V6 Powertrain Development. I've had a 24.1 MPG tank and have averaged 19.7 with towing and a lot of stop and start, back up, running around real estate stuff.
... and to keep the thread on topic, the F150 is the best all around vehicle for a Delta pilot. It is faster than it should be (for the"when can you get here" short calls) has plenty of room for bags, is economical and has terrifice resale value (a furlough hedge) and it gives you instant credibility as a contractor (since most of us have extra jobs, are in the "real estate business" or are slum lords of one ilk or another).
I bought an 11 F150 after flying up to Detroit, attending the EB tear down event and meeting Ford's Director of V6 Powertrain Development. I've had a 24.1 MPG tank and have averaged 19.7 with towing and a lot of stop and start, back up, running around real estate stuff.
... and to keep the thread on topic, the F150 is the best all around vehicle for a Delta pilot. It is faster than it should be (for the"when can you get here" short calls) has plenty of room for bags, is economical and has terrifice resale value (a furlough hedge) and it gives you instant credibility as a contractor (since most of us have extra jobs, are in the "real estate business" or are slum lords of one ilk or another).
11-23-2011, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Of what is available now, the F150 with EcoBoost is just unbeatable. Can tow 11,500 pounds, rip a 14 second quarter mile and deliver 22 to 24 miles per gallon with six people in the cab.
I bought an 11 F150 after flying up to Detroit, attending the EB tear down event and meeting Ford's Director of V6 Powertrain Development. I've had a 24.1 MPG tank and have averaged 19.7 with towing and a lot of stop and start, back up, running around real estate stuff.
... and to keep the thread on topic, the F150 is the best all around vehicle for a Delta pilot. It is faster than it should be (for the"when can you get here" short calls) has plenty of room for bags, is economical and has terrifice resale value (a furlough hedge) and it gives you instant credibility as a contractor (since most of us have extra jobs, are in the "real estate business" or are slum lords of one ilk or another).
I bought an 11 F150 after flying up to Detroit, attending the EB tear down event and meeting Ford's Director of V6 Powertrain Development. I've had a 24.1 MPG tank and have averaged 19.7 with towing and a lot of stop and start, back up, running around real estate stuff.
... and to keep the thread on topic, the F150 is the best all around vehicle for a Delta pilot. It is faster than it should be (for the"when can you get here" short calls) has plenty of room for bags, is economical and has terrifice resale value (a furlough hedge) and it gives you instant credibility as a contractor (since most of us have extra jobs, are in the "real estate business" or are slum lords of one ilk or another).
Yeah but it's a V6.....tic ;-)
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